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Old 10-15-08, 11:05 PM   #181
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Re: Kick off Debate 3!

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Where did he say anything about a tie rev? He didn't he said Mccain lost and that was that.
If you said Obama lost and that was that fine, that's your opinion and I've not the patience to ask you why you think so. But that's not what you said.
You said - to paraphrase - McCain sucked and lost, but didn't loose because obama didn't win because he sucked and thus it was a tie.



uhm his 1st sentence..... you are doing yourself no favors here.
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Old 10-15-08, 11:07 PM   #182
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Re: Kick off Debate 3!

All the reasons the base doesn't like McCaina nd were so uninspired he is our "man" this time was on display tonight. BUT he had flashes of brilliance and some good lines and decent ifno.

But, as I told my good bud "This is 1960 all over again, the GOP get's an old white guy that does poorly on tV against the young inspiring Dem." And that's what I've seen in all 3 debates.

I think he did the best job he's done so far tonight, but I don't know how much impact it's gonna have. IMHO the "Joe the Plumber" Video will have the most impact with those worried about Obama and annoy those that support him.
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Old 10-15-08, 11:10 PM   #183
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Re: Kick off Debate 3!

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uhm his 1st sentence..... you are doing yourself no favors here.
WTF??
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Personally I think neither jumped out as a clear winner. Both made good some good and empty statements.
Why not have him answer for himself?
Hey gibberish! Are you saying that McCain lost because he sucked but didn't loose because Obama didn't win because he sucked and thus the debate was a tie?
Or are you saying that there was no clear winner but McCain lost?
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Old 10-15-08, 11:11 PM   #184
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All the reasons the base doesn't like McCaina nd were so uninspired he is our "man" this time was on display tonight. BUT he had flashes of brilliance and some good lines and decent ifno.

But, as I told my good bud "This is 1960 all over again, the GOP get's an old white guy that does poorly on tV against the young inspiring Dem." And that's what I've seen in all 3 debates.

I think he did the best job he's done so far tonight, but I don't know how much impact it's gonna have. IMHO the "Joe the Plumber" Video will have the most impact with those worried about Obama and annoy those that support him.
McCain was not even close to anything Nixon was - Nixon was a true work of genius - maybe too much so.
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Old 10-15-08, 11:12 PM   #185
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WTF??

Why not have him answer for himself?
Hey gibberish! Are you saying that McCain lost because he sucked but didn't loose because Obama didn't win because he sucked and thus the debate was a tie?
Or are you saying that there was no clear winner but McCain lost?



Good to see you discussing the debate and not the finite semantics of my views on said view....



Great discussion.



Either you don't get it, which is sad, or you are playing games......


Which is it?
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Old 10-15-08, 11:14 PM   #186
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While I agree with the fact we need to cut spending dramatically
Then how in the wide-world of sports can you vote for Obama? He has absolutely NO intention of doing this.

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should we just say screw you to autistic kids and those with special needs for simple survival and opportunity?
First off, Obama was refering to research & developement and scientists haven't even developed a definitive answer as to the cause of autism let alone how to cure it so any cuts in research grants (not that there is any proof McCain would do such a thing) would have a negligible effect on those who currently suffer from autism. Secondly, this misses the point that equating spending cuts to a callous indifference towards the mentally and physically handicapped is pandering at its worse; playing on people's emotions instead of engaging their logic.

There's no reason why we cannot drastically cut spending and prioritize at the same time. Drastic cuts in spending means somebody has to bite the bullet but I doubt the special needs community would be left out in the cold. The first ones to feel the sting of spending cuts would be those people who benefit most from government programs; politicians. It's no wonder they'd want to avoid such a scenario.
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Old 10-15-08, 11:15 PM   #187
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Re: Kick off Debate 3!

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All the reasons the base doesn't like McCaina nd were so uninspired he is our "man" this time was on display tonight. BUT he had flashes of brilliance and some good lines and decent ifno.

But, as I told my good bud "This is 1960 all over again, the GOP get's an old white guy that does poorly on tV against the young inspiring Dem." And that's what I've seen in all 3 debates.

I think he did the best job he's done so far tonight, but I don't know how much impact it's gonna have. IMHO the "Joe the Plumber" Video will have the most impact with those worried about Obama and annoy those that support him.
I don't think those voters earning less than Joe the Plumber will care much about Joe the plumber......not to mention all those who lost their jobs in the last few years..
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Take notice ! Barack never addresses McCain and Senator McCain. He always calls him John whereas McCain always addresses Obama as Senator Obama.
Oh snap! Talk about an incredible, news-worthy topic
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Old 10-15-08, 11:22 PM   #189
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Then how in the wide-world of sports can you vote for Obama? He has absolutely NO intention of doing this.
Simple, because I think McCain is only paying lip service and would not cut spending; his policies will only increase debt even more dramatically. From what I've seen of him he is not going to be a fiscal conservative that I hope him to be and for that matter I just don't agree with anything else of McCain's policies. His economic policies, his tax policies, his healthcare, his education, his foreign policies, I don't agree with any of those at all.

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First off, Obama was refering to research & developement and scientists haven't even developed a definitive answer as to the cause of autism let alone how to cure it so any cuts in research grants (not that there is any proof McCain would do such a thing) would have a negligible effect on those who currently suffer from autism. Secondly, this misses the point that equating spending cuts to a callous indifference towards the mentally and physically handicapped is pandering at its worse; playing on people's emotions instead of engaging their logic.
I agree, however this is not a cut and dry issue that can be so easily cut into "I will gut spending on rediculous programs." while cure of autism is going to be a mountain of a challenge that doesn't change the matter that for the time being before cures are available these kids need particularily special attention - hence require additional funding for that normal kids do not require.

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There's no reason why we cannot drastically cut spending and prioritize at the same time. Drastic cuts in spending means somebody has to bite the bullet but I doubt the special needs community would be left out in the cold. The first ones to feel the sting of spending cuts would be those people who benefit most from government programs; politicians.
Defence contractors benefit THE most from government programs and directly from tax payer dollars.
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Re: Kick off Debate 3!

Joe the Plumber point being "Spread the wealth", that was a telling comment by Obama and has potential to impact him more then anything else.

As for the Nixon/Kennedy comparison, my point was, drab old mean looking white guy against the young charasmatic guy.

That's all I mean by it.
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