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Old 10-15-08, 08:01 AM   #41
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How can you get a welfare check with no address? Show me where they allow that one. Unlike voting, welfare is not a right.
Voting is NOT a right for every citizen.

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Again, you register for a general area. Maybe instead of blaming people maybe you should be blaming the government for not having a database that is shared to show voters.

So you, like Truth Detector, are for taking the right to vote away from the homeless. Can you show me where in the constitution it states that you must have an address to vote?
So, according to you, I can vote as many times as I want in this "general area"?

I'm not against taking the right to vote away, I'm for taking the right to vote away from people that aren't allowed to vote by law.
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Old 10-15-08, 08:15 AM   #42
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Re: Vote drives defended, despite fake names

I don't understand the point of this article? Are you really against encouraging people to vote? This has been going on since the beginning of our country. The whole idea of a party is to coordinate voters and candidates to take control of government. Does an uneducated poor person have less of a right to vote than a rich educated person?

Is this supposed to be an attack on Obama for his support of the voter drive? Its obvious he did not support ACORN so that they could register voters illegally.
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Old 10-15-08, 08:22 AM   #43
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Voting is NOT a right for every citizen.
It is UNLESS you are a felon or not of age. Which if they are, they THEM SELF gave up the right to vote when they were convicted for a felony. However it is a RIGHT to vote if you are not a felon and of age.

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So, according to you, I can vote as many times as I want in this "general area"?
Nope not at all. One vote per person. If the problem is people registering in multiple areas, this can be solved by linking databases. Again, if this concerns you, then push for having the databases all linked.

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I'm not against taking the right to vote away, I'm for taking the right to vote away from people that aren't allowed to vote by law.
That's fine, but the homeless are not one of those people, so why are you for them not being able to vote simply because the are homeless?

You are trying to prevent one group from voting, by not allowing another group (that legally can vote) from doing so.

That is just as wrong.
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Old 10-15-08, 08:25 AM   #44
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Nope not at all. One vote per person. If the problem is people registering in multiple areas, this can be solved by linking databases. Again, if this concerns you, then push for having the databases all linked.
I see your agenda now. You want as many illegal votes as possible so that Obama can get elected, then crack down on illegal voting after that.

gotcha.
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Old 10-15-08, 08:27 AM   #45
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I see your agenda now. You want as many illegal votes as possible so that Obama can get elected, then crack down on illegal voting after that.

gotcha.
Nope, like I said I don't mind IDs being required as long as they are provided free of charge from the state. However, you are for taking away the right to vote from people simple because they are homeless.

How un-American and conservative of you.
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Old 10-15-08, 09:13 AM   #46
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And nobody is claiming that this is some mass conspiracy
If you're not be saying it explicitly, you're dancing all around it.
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Except no other "pharmaceutical company" has come anywhere near this one in terms of producing massive electoral fraud.
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As to your 2 examples - Yea, in those two particular areas the bad card rate was "only" 5%. Does that change the fact that in many other places, such as the ones linked to in the other threads on the topic, the bad card rate was approximately 100%? Or was that just 2100 accidental "bad cards" in a row?
Let's see we go from 5% to 100%.

What was the total number of registrations turned in? That would give a better perspective in error rate, rather than a particular batch. Of course it wouldn't have made as good a story. You do know that, by law, all registrations must be turned in by third parties, irregardless of their authenticity.
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If you're not be saying it explicitly, you're dancing all around it.
No, I'm not. This is not some evil plan on ACORN's part to commit massive voter fraud. I do however think that they're well aware of their own track record and have made the conscious decision to continue with policies that have the same outcome. Consider it a sin of omission rather than commission.



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Let's see we go from 5% to 100%.

What was the total number of registrations turned in? That would give a better perspective in error rate, rather than a particular batch. Of course it wouldn't have made as good a story.
In the case I'm referring to, 100% of the 2100 forms that were examined were fraudulent, so they didn't bother looking through the other 5000.


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I see that you either failed US Government in school or skipped those classes. I would love to see your notion of what a Democracy is if the US is not one; although, I fear it will just end up in the circle of futility.
government by the people ; especially : rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections - Definition of Democracy

A state or nation in which the supreme power rests in all the citizens entitled to vote. This power is exercised by representatives elected, directly or indirectly, by them and responsible to them. - Definition of a Republic, which we are. As long as we have the electoral system we can't be a Democracy. As far as the insults I will ignore those.

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As for your notions about freedom, voting and age for legal voting, those comments show you are confused by your ignorance about how this Government was formed, it's founder’s intent, the Constitution and how a successful Democracy works.
But with that, here is something for you and your fellow Liberals to ponder; If you truly believe that the ignorant masses should be permitted to vote and empowered to vote regardless of their competence, then you are okay with ending up with someone like Hugo Chavez as President right? After all, the ONLY thing that keeps him in power are the ignorant peasants who he panders to while dragging his country’s economy into the toilet and attempts to turn it into a dictatorship.
The fact that you use the term "ignorant" to describe everyday people tells me that you are a elitist and buying into classicism. Hugo Chavez would make a better president then Bush of McBush. Once again you comments are so out of touch with the average person in this country or any other that it is sad.

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This is what you get when you have the ignorant masses choosing their representatives. As has been stated in your Government 101 classes all of you apparently failed; for Democracy to work well, a country needs an EDUCATED electorate.

Want proof? Just look at the current level of ignorance the Democrats have in the Congress for your proof; Maxine Waters, John Conyers, Barney Frank….et al.
Is it a coincidence that two of the three intelligent and respected congress members you name are black? If you want freedom then allow everyone eligible to vote, otherwise stop using the term freedom and democracy because you spit on both of those terms with your view. Call your view what it is, Fascism 101. You must have really liked Karl Roves 100 year plan, huh, why give anyone a choice.

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I voted for George Bush BOTH times; if you are suggesting that I am ignorant, I would be happy to put my resume, education and intelligence up against yours any time.
Ignorance manifests itself in many forms, just because you got though school and have "good jobs" doesn't make you any better or smarter then me. Get off your ****ing high horse before someone knocks you off.
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