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Old 10-03-08, 07:41 PM   #81
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Re: Democrats or Republicans - who is most to blame in the financial crisis?

I think a discussion of who is the most to blame for the economic crisis is counterproductive. What needs to be discussed is possible ideas and remedies to the situation, as opposed to pointless finger pointing, which does nothing but divide America.
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Re: Democrats or Republicans - who is most to blame in the financial crisis?

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I think a discussion of who is the most to blame for the economic crisis is counterproductive. What needs to be discussed is possible ideas and remedies to the situation, as opposed to pointless finger pointing, which does nothing but divide America.
uestion for you; when Democrats point the blame at this Administration and the Republican Congress, don't you think a FACT check is in order?

We all know that it is juvenile and child like what the Democrats are attempting to do, but that does not change the FACT that by acting like little children, they are also impugning others character and records.

I find it despicable and irresponsible and think they need to be called on it, don't you?

If anyone wants to know what happened to Freddie Mac and Fannie May, they need look only as far as the Democrats like Barney, the lisp, Frank who is pointing his finger everywhere BUT at his own mirror to see who is to blame for this mess.

But you didn't see Bush go to Congress and say;” I am offering a bailout for the failure of Congress to do its job or for creating the mess we are in now…." You did hear Nancy (I am a rabid Liberal partisan moron) blame the Republicans and this Administration for the current state of the economy.

The bar has been moved now and forever. If, and that is a BIG if still, Obama wins this election, you can rest assured that I, and many others will hold THIS administration and THIS congress to the same standards they feel obliged to hold everyone else to. A standard NONE of the Democrats have ever been able to attain themselves.
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Old 10-03-08, 08:21 PM   #83
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uestion for you; when Democrats point the blame at this Administration and the Republican Congress, don't you think a FACT check is in order?

We all know that it is juvenile and child like what the Democrats are attempting to do, but that does not change the FACT that by acting like little children, they are also impugning others character and records.

I find it despicable and irresponsible and think they need to be called on it, don't you?

If anyone wants to know what happened to Freddie Mac and Fannie May, they need look only as far as the Democrats like Barney, the lisp, Frank who is pointing his finger everywhere BUT at his own mirror to see who is to blame for this mess.

But you didn't see Bush go to Congress and say;” I am offering a bailout for the failure of Congress to do its job or for creating the mess we are in now…." You did hear Nancy (I am a rabid Liberal partisan moron) blame the Republicans and this Administration for the current state of the economy.

The bar has been moved now and forever. If, and that is a BIG if still, Obama wins this election, you can rest assured that I, and many others will hold THIS administration and THIS congress to the same standards they feel obliged to hold everyone else to. A standard NONE of the Democrats have ever been able to attain themselves.
I couldn't agree more.
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Re: Democrats or Republicans - who is most to blame in the financial crisis?

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I think a discussion of who is the most to blame for the economic crisis is counterproductive. What needs to be discussed is possible ideas and remedies to the situation, as opposed to pointless finger pointing, which does nothing but divide America.
Yeah well I think it would serve us to know that much of Washington knew this was coming, saw the threat, failed to warn, and then sold us down the river today. I don't think we should just say bygones and move on. I think some people ought to be hung out to dry and measures ought to be taken to assure that this crap ceases and desists.

I'm not overly interested in seeing humongous corporate welfare passed whenever wallstreet runs amuk so I suggest we figure whose heads should roll and start rolling lest these assholes think it's ok to take advantage.
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Re: Democrats or Republicans - who is most to blame in the financial crisis?

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I think a discussion of who is the most to blame for the economic crisis is counterproductive. What needs to be discussed is possible ideas and remedies to the situation, as opposed to pointless finger pointing, which does nothing but divide America.
You would be right except that the same noise that Democrats in congress make in blaming the Bush administration for everything also acts as their cover to avoid getting to the truth. I don't think that the financial crisis will end until those criminally involved (in my estimation, Franks, possibly Dodd, Raines, Johnson, Howard, others I'm sure) are brought to justice and the remaining shady politicians are scared ****less. As someone stated elsewhere in this forum, how can you fix the problem if you don't first identify the real problem. I will admit that when McCain and others legitimately point out that they warned of this impending problem, that could be by some considered political posturing. However, it also is a record of that person's past stance taken on an important issue. Maybe finger-pointing is not pointless.
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You would be right except that the same noise that Democrats in congress make in blaming the Bush administration for everything also acts as their cover to avoid getting to the truth. I don't think that the financial crisis will end until those criminally involved (in my estimation, Franks, possibly Dodd, Raines, Johnson, Howard, others I'm sure) are brought to justice and the remaining shady politicians are scared ****less. As someone stated elsewhere in this forum, how can you fix the problem if you don't first identify the real problem. I will admit that when McCain and others legitimately point out that they warned of this impending problem, that could be by some considered political posturing. However, it also is a record of that person's past stance taken on an important issue. Maybe finger-pointing is not pointless.
Hey folks, we all know Democrats are to blame for this economic mess...that should be common knowledge to anyone who can read (and I don't mean the New York Times). I don't see why this should be "Breaking News".
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How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.
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Old 10-04-08, 12:30 AM   #89
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Nope. A devout Conservative Republican. The reason I posted that, is because it is fairly obvious that Democrats are to blame for the economic crisis, so I don't see the reason to be harping on about the same points, with no discussion of solutions. Except of course to educate dumb Liberals who will still deny a fact even if it slapped them in the face and called them momma.

Let's not waste our breaths is the point I am making...it just makes us look like we're divisive and helps those idiots promote their left-wing agenda.
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Oh now the bar has moved from adviser to CHIEF ADVISER?
Err, what bar? And actually, "Chief economic advisor". Ridiculous, isn't it? Yet that is what the post I rebutted claimed Raines is to the Obama campaign.

Did you read the post I was responding to before before you broke out in hysterics responding to mine?

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Come on. The Washington Post has referred to Raines as an adviser to Obama repeatedly without anyone, including Obama, saying boo about it. Only now that it's clear Obama must distance himself from Raines people, including the Post, are back tracking and jumping through hopes to explain away the relationship.
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Yes Obama called Raines for advice on the economy.
No Raines was never an economic adviser.
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Talloulou, I never claimed Obama never called Raines. In response to the post I responded to, I posted Fact check and Snopes showing the post was false.

So, give you a freaking break about what? Why are you making a strawman here?

Are you claiming Raines is in fact the Obama campaign's chief economic advisor? If so, please cite your proof. Or else, give *me* a freaking break.

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Obviously the corrupt and loathed Raines CANNOT be Obama's chief economic adviser. Most likely Obama doesn't phone him anymore.

Just like obviously the REV WRIGHT can't be his chief spiritual adviser anymore. Obama also doesn't phone him up anymore.

Obama gets credit for the distancing but he doesn't get to rewrite the past. He did bend Raines ear for economic advice. Raines is a loathed corrupt character. He did sit in Rev's hateful church. Another loathed character.

Deal with it.
Does this rant have something to do with anything I posted? If so please explain. And what does Wright have to do with this thread?

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