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Old 09-28-08, 01:00 PM   #51
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Re: Murtha sued over remarks

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This is the Republican brand of political correctness, that one can't even utter the truth about what happens in war. Murtha showed compassion for the marines, saying they were under so much pressure (they made a mistake). He understands, as most do, it is inevitable that innocent civilians are killed in a war zone. After his comment, procedures were reviewed and revised that resulted in fewer civilian and military deaths. Those who distort his words and the meaning of them are simply attempting to defend an indefensible war.
I do not consider the phrase "in cold blood" to be "compassion".

Liberals repeatedly screw up by connecting our military to their position against the war.
And while the intent might be honorable, it sets them up to be portrayed as anti American and anti military.

This sentance that you posted, "Those who distort his words and the meaning of them are simply attempting to defend an indefensible war."

You are saying that those who support our military need to defend the war.
But what about those of us that support our military but are extremely against the war? Where do we fit in?

The whole business of showing the bad things our military does as a way of protesting the war is something that disturbs me greatly and is one of many reasons that I will never become a Democrat even though 90% of my views coincide with theirs.

Your focus should be on the criminal that sent our military there to begin with.
Not on our military.
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Small minded people seldom see the big picture.

All you see is a man saying terrible things about a few Marines.

I see a career Marine defending Marines, and all the military, saying that they are being abused by our president to the point of being capable of committing such dastardly crimes.
Yeah, and on 9/11, I'm sure you saw 19 brave misunderstood freedom fighters that were driven to extreme actions by the helplessness they felt having to deal with the USA's oppressive foreign policy.

Believe me, I know exactly what you want to "see" when you look at the situation. Fortunately, most Americans aren't so blindly spinning everything so that America-hating becomes acceptable, or cool.
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Re: Murtha sued over remarks

Its hardly a Marine defending the Marine Corps when a political hack dredges up an isolated incident, applies his negative spin on what had transpired, and then tried to present it as emblematic of what all Marines are doing/facing in Iraq.


I'm real sure Murtha was keeping his fingers crossed that these Marines would be found not guilty.
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Yeah, and on 9/11, I'm sure you saw 19 brave misunderstood freedom fighters that were driven to extreme actions by the helplessness they felt having to deal with the USA's oppressive foreign policy.

Believe me, I know exactly what you want to "see" when you look at the situation. Fortunately, most Americans aren't so blindly spinning everything so that America-hating becomes acceptable, or cool.
You don't have a clue what honorably serving military people think about "honor". All you care about is winning an argument using only rhetoric ignoring all facts. When the facts are shoved in your face you, and your other neo-con buddies, resort to ridiculous fact twisting and name calling, as if that helps your position at all. You don't even see how desperate it makes ya'll look.

One by one we are witnessing you and your neo-con buddies retreating from arguments when the facts are laid on the table. None of you can get past the surface emotion of an issue. It is a waste of time to even try to get thru to you intellectually.

Now you can go ahead and win the argument by calling me a jerk.
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Old 09-28-08, 01:17 PM   #55
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Its hardly a Marine defending the Marine Corps when a political hack dredges up an isolated incident, applies his negative spin on what had transpired, and then tried to present it as emblematic of what all Marines are doing/facing in Iraq.


I'm real sure Murtha was keeping his fingers crossed that these Marines would be found not guilty.
The fact that you would characterize this as an "isolated incident", as if that carries any importance, shows what your priorities look like.
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... tried to present it as emblematic of what all Marines are doing/facing in Iraq.
He did?

He said that his cold blood comment applied to all Marines in Iraq?
He said that all Marines in Iraq had killed these civilians in cold blood?
Where did you find this out?
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Old 09-28-08, 02:04 PM   #57
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You don't have a clue what honorably serving military people think about "honor".
The fact that you consider Murtha's actions as honorable and brave makes your comment laughable. I really don't care what the minuscule number of military men and women that would fall under your definition of "honorably serving" think about honor. They are not the ones that anyone should be listening to - and most aren't.


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Now you can go ahead and win the argument by calling me a jerk.
There's no argument to win, we have diametrically opposed viewpoints and you made it very clear on which side you stand. People can make their own determination whether or not siding with a moron like Murtha makes you a jerk.
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He did?

He said that his cold blood comment applied to all Marines in Iraq?
He said that all Marines in Iraq had killed these civilians in cold blood?
Where did you find this out?
You know Simon your BS nitpicking of semantics is almost as troubling as a so-called conservative stalwartly defending leftists as you do quite frequently on this board.

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"There was no firefight. There was no IED that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood,"
To me, this would indicate a belief that all troops would act this way: killing innocents in cold blood (which didn't happen) because of the situation they are facing.

In other words, the situation is so troublesome in Iraq that it would cause our troops to become cold-blooded killers - which of course never happened.

Again, this is just a case of a political hack dredges up an isolated incident, applies his negative spin on what had transpired, and then tried to present it as emblematic of what all Marines are doing/facing in Iraq.
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You know Simon your BS nitpicking of semantics...
You say "semantics." I say factually incorrect.
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Don't let meanings stand in the way of using whatever words you want to use. Why bother right?
It's all words isn't it? The difference between words is just semantics, right?

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... is almost as troubling as a so-called conservative stalwartly defending leftists as you do quite frequently on this board.
Some people aren't discerning enough to be able to distinguish between "stalwartly defending leftists" and recognizing poor arguments.
FWIW, your White House is "leftist"

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To me, this would indicate...
Given your creative approach to language I am not surprised that you think this means that.

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It has been thoroughly substantiated that the WMD claims were unsubstantiated.




The marines were declared "innocent" by whom?
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Those who made unsubstantiated WMD claims and those who supported them are responsible for the body bags. You should pray for them.


Uhm you chimed in that these troops were murderers.


Why are you deflecting now?
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