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Old 09-28-08, 12:34 PM   #41
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Re: Murtha sued over remarks

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Understand this. Murtha didn't call anyone a murderer. He said they killed innocent civilians. Did he lie?
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"There was no firefight. There was no IED that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood,"
in cold blood - definition of in cold blood by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

blood (bld)
n.
1.
a. The fluid consisting of plasma, blood cells, and platelets that is circulated by the heart through the vertebrate vascular system, carrying oxygen and nutrients to and waste materials away from all body tissues.
b. A functionally similar fluid in animals other than vertebrates.
c. The juice or sap of certain plants.
2. A vital or animating force; lifeblood.
3. One of the four humors of ancient and medieval physiology, identified with the blood found in blood vessels, and thought to cause cheerfulness.
4. Bloodshed; murder.
5. Temperament or disposition: a person of hot blood and fiery temper.
6.
a. Descent from a common ancestor; parental lineage.
b. Family relationship; kinship.
c. Descent from noble or royal lineage: a princess of the blood.
d. Recorded descent from purebred stock.
e. National or racial ancestry.
7.
a. A dandy.
b. Slang A youth who is a member of a city gang.
tr.v. blood·ed, blood·ing, bloods
1. To give (a hunting dog) its first taste of blood.
2.
a. To subject (troops) to experience under fire: "The measure of an army is not known until it has been blooded" Tom Clancy.
b. To initiate by subjecting to an unpleasant or difficult experience.

Idioms:
bad blood
Long-standing animosity.
*in cold blood
Deliberately, coldly, and dispassionately.
in (one's) blood
So characteristic as to seem inherited or passed down by family tradition.
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Is it possible to kill someone deliberately, coldly and dispassionately and it not be murder?
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Old 09-28-08, 12:37 PM   #42
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Wow Panther, I just read your post.

Great minds I guess..
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But even if it was accurate, it is still massively inexcusable for a Congressman to say such a thing.

Even if there is 1 bad unit or 1 unit that loses mental control within our military, is it foolish and stupid beyond imagination to make remarks that portray our military in such a way.
This is the Republican brand of political correctness, that one can't even utter the truth about what happens in war. Murtha showed compassion for the marines, saying they were under so much pressure (they made a mistake). He understands, as most do, it is inevitable that innocent civilians are killed in a war zone. After his comment, procedures were reviewed and revised that resulted in fewer civilian and military deaths. Those who distort his words and the meaning of them are simply attempting to defend an indefensible war.
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Is that the standard the military/American-hating libs are now pushing? It's OK to call any military man a cold blooded murderer until he is declared innocent?

Our military is full of those.

Funny how the Libs' standard is so much higher for the terrorists in Guantanamo.
And her we go again, you and your neo-con conspirators arguing your rhetoric against the facts.

You don't like what Murtha said. Fine. I agree it "sounds" ugly. But, there was plenty of "evidence" (do you neo-cons know what that is?) that there was something to this story. And now we know that one of those Marines told this story to the secret service who initiated an investigation. That's called evidence boys and girls.

I totally support Murtha, a career Marine!, coming out against this kind of behavior. I don't want our military pushed to the point of exhaustion and frustration to where these kinds of crimes happen.

THAT is what he was saying. But, that obvious point is lost on you rabid neo-cons looking for Demo's blood... at any cost!

You neo-cons rant and whine about "libs" rhetoric when that is all you guys have in these arguments. When the facts are put on the table you retreat to repeating, over and over, your empty rhetoric. If only you had the noive to listen to yourself.

It seems there are only two sides to this. Either you are against what Murtha said and thus support hiding these types of crimes by our military... or you support the prosecution of military personnel committing these types of crimes which dishonor the rest of the military.

What Murtha did was extremely brave. This is what we want our leaders in Washington to do. We want them to stand up for what is right, no matter how hard it is. He saw plenty of "evidence" that this crime occurred and did not want it to smear the honor of every other man and woman who served our country honorably.

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Is it possible to kill someone deliberately, coldly and dispassionately and it not be murder?
They killed the civilians deliberately, knowing they were civilians. It is obvious they killed them dispassionately and with animosity. Can it not be murder? The investigating marines said it wasn't. Murtha didn't say it was.
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Murtha showed compassion for the marines, saying they were under so much pressure (they made a mistake).
Murtha showed compassion by calling our US Marines cold blooded murderers?

You are absolutely clueless. Like I said, he should be shot for treason - and no, I'm not exaggerating. The fact that there are like-minded american-hating people like Murtha isn't surprising, but it is very sad. It isn't treason for you to spew your radical sentiments because you aren't speaking in an official capacity, but it is certainly the height of ignorance.
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Murtha showed compassion by calling our US Marines cold blooded murderers?

You are absolutely clueless. Like I said, he should be shot for treason - and no, I'm not exaggerating. The fact that there are like-minded american-hating people like Murtha isn't surprising, but it is very sad. It isn't treason for you to spew your radical sentiments because you aren't speaking in an official capacity, but it is certainly the height of ignorance.
Ignorance is ignoring the facts.
And that is your forte.
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What Murtha did was extremely brave.
Why am I not surprised that you fall into the group that would prop him up as a hero?

I'm surprised you still are voting for Obama after his radical wife backed away from her comments that she was ashamed of being an American. She probably lost a lot of the pro-Murtha crowd by not taking on a very strong "Death to America" platform.
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They killed the civilians deliberately, knowing they were civilians. It is obvious they killed them dispassionately and with animosity. Can it not be murder? The investigating marines said it wasn't. Murtha didn't say it was.

The above statement leads me to believe that you think the reason the troops did it wasn't because of the "pressure they were under" as Murtha insists, but rather a more insidious motivator sparked it.

Am I far off?
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Why am I not surprised that you fall into the group that would prop him up as a hero?
Small minded people seldom see the big picture.

All you see is a man saying terrible things about a few Marines.

I see a career Marine defending Marines, and all the military, saying that they are being abused by our president to the point of being capable of committing such dastardly crimes.
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