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How many shootings in the U.S. per year is too many?

How many shootings in the U.S. per year is too many?


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Well? How many?

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FACT:In 2005 (the most recent year for which data is available), there were 30,694 gun deaths in the U.S:


12,352 homicides (40% of all U.S gun deaths),
17,002 suicides (55% of all U.S gun deaths),
789 unintentional shootings, 330 from legal intervention and 221 from undetermined intent (5% of all U.S gun deaths combined).
-Numbers obtained from CDC National Center for Health Statistics mortality report online, 2008.
 
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Not the same, cars are mostly a necessity. Guns are a luxury.

So change it to alcohol, which is far more of a luxury than guns. How many deaths from drunk driving/cirrhosis/alcoholism is too many?
 
Well? How many?

Statistics, Facts and Quotes

FACT:In 2005 (the most recent year for which data is available), there were 30,694 gun deaths in the U.S:


12,352 homicides (40% of all U.S gun deaths),
17,002 suicides (55% of all U.S gun deaths),
789 unintentional shootings, 330 from legal intervention and 221 from undetermined intent (5% of all U.S gun deaths combined).
-Numbers obtained from CDC National Center for Health Statistics mortality report online, 2008.





What percentage of this was criminal on criminal?

HOw many of these shootings involved victims without a felonious past.



If the savages wan to kill each other who cares.
 
How many car accidents per year is too many?
Fair play, but ask yourself this question then.
But let's not be coy here, what's the sole purpose of any gun?
Do cars play such a roll? Alcohol? Tobacco?
 
If guns were not available, murders and suicides would be accomplished by other means - just as they already are in jails and prisons where guns are not available. For this reason, I do not believe eliminating guns will eliminate these crimes or suicides. We need to look at why these acts are being committed in these numbers to unravel that problem - not at the tool used.
 
Fair play, but ask yourself this question then.
But let's not be coy here, what's the sole purpose of any gun?
Do cars play such a roll? Alcohol? Tobacco?





To protect ones life and property.... To provide for sustinence. To prevent tyranny in government.


thats three off the top of my head.
 
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What kind of shootings is Sabateur talking about?
 
Well? How many?

Statistics, Facts and Quotes

FACT:In 2005 (the most recent year for which data is available), there were 30,694 gun deaths in the U.S:


12,352 homicides (40% of all U.S gun deaths),
17,002 suicides (55% of all U.S gun deaths),
789 unintentional shootings, 330 from legal intervention and 221 from undetermined intent (5% of all U.S gun deaths combined).
-Numbers obtained from CDC National Center for Health Statistics mortality report online, 2008.

Wow, those numbers are way lower than I thought they'd be. Thanks for convincing me that America doesn't have a gun problem
 
There is a price to be paid with everything. "Liberty" has a unique meaning in the U.S.
 
...... what's the sole purpose of any gun?

"Shooting," which breaks down to protection, food gathering, and sportmanship. Of course, the criminal sees it as a tool to commit crime more easily. There is a negative to almost everything.
 
~300,000,000 guns in the US.
~350,000 crimes committed with guns in the US, per year.
~0.12% of guns are used to commit crimes.
~99.88% of guns are not used to commit crimes.
What problem, guns?
 
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To protect ones life and property.... To provide for sustinence. To prevent tyranny in government.

"Guns kill people".
Well, of course they do -- it they didn't they'd be worthless. :mrgreen:

Killing people can be a legitimate, legal use of a firearm.
Thus, that guns are used to kill people isn't in any way an argument against them
 
If guns were not available, murders and suicides would be accomplished by other means - just as they already are in jails and prisons where guns are not available. For this reason, I do not believe eliminating guns will eliminate these crimes or suicides. We need to look at why these acts are being committed in these numbers to unravel that problem - not at the tool used.

Premeditated murders and suicides yes. But what about the woman who kills her husband and his prostitute before she realizes that she's the one in trouble now? Should it just be legal to kill in a moment of passion?

And in suicides, most people have a specific plan. They take pills or hang themselves or jump off buildings. I have a freind that was in the german military for several years. One of his soldiers killed himself by hanging. He could have shot himself or, like my friend says, "we had explosives he could have gone out a little more interestingly". So I contend that if their was no gun for those who shoot themselves, they'd still be here long enough to get help.
 
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So I contend that if their was no gun for those who shoot themselves, they'd still be here long enough to get help.
There may in some cases be some truth to this. I'm a suicide prevention counselor on the regional suicide line here and its interesting to consider the method. Women attempt suicide much more, but men succeed with much more regularity and this is often attributed to the method-- women attempt with pills or cutting, men use firearms. Firearms work.
If I'm on the phone with someone who's taken an overdose I can dispatch police and an ambulance to get them to a hospital and hopefully into treatment that will make them reconsider. If I'm on the phone and someone pulls the trigger its a less optimistic situation. Guns are usually final.
And its a shame because often people who even go through with some pretty convincing acts of self destruction have doubts and second thoughts even up to the end. Like the cat who jumped off the Golden Gate and by some freak chance lived. He said he was fully committed to dying until he was falling and couldn't catch himself. Then it was a purely "Oh ****!" situation, and that is telling. Of course someone who's fully committed to ending it is going to get the job done eventually, there's a million and one ways to pull it off. But it does make me wonder if some who used guns could have otherwise have gotten help (in a world without guns), having first tried less effective means.
In the end though of course, the right to own guns is, besides a constitutional right, fundamental to individual liberty. And the freedom to obtain effective means of offing yourself is just part of freedom.
 
Protection
How does it protect? Maybe to kill?
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How? Killing the prey perhaps?
RightinNYC said:

RightinNYC said:
Transportation
Pleasure

Pleasure

Pleasure
This is the obtuse I was speaking of. Sure some people get a thrill out of target practice but again, a gun was built with one purpose in mind - lethality. If not we'd still have ancient muskets around.
 
"Shooting," which breaks down to protection, food gathering, and sportmanship. Of course, the criminal sees it as a tool to commit crime more easily. There is a negative to almost everything.
Again, the exact obtuseness I was speaking of. A gun was built with being as lethal as possible for the category in which it was intended to fill.
It was meant to kill or cause massive injury so as to in turn become protective to someone that wields it, able to hunt for food or god forbid the fun of killing for sport:roll: Or in the criminal world a sign of power.

Car? no, it was built to transport
Alcohol - it's for entertainment
Tobacco - again entertainment/relaxant
You can not assign the same form of killing/injury intent of guns as you can to the later three no matter how you cut it.
 
"Guns kill people".
Well, of course they do -- it they didn't they'd be worthless. :mrgreen:

Killing people can be a legitimate, legal use of a firearm.
Thus, that guns are used to kill people isn't in any way an argument against them

I learned a long time ago that some people need to be killed. :mrgreen:
 
Premeditated murders and suicides yes. But what about the woman who kills her husband and his prostitute before she realizes that she's the one in trouble now? Should it just be legal to kill in a moment of passion?

And in suicides, most people have a specific plan. They take pills or hang themselves or jump off buildings. I have a freind that was in the german military for several years. One of his soldiers killed himself by hanging. He could have shot himself or, like my friend says, "we had explosives he could have gone out a little more interestingly". So I contend that if their was no gun for those who shoot themselves, they'd still be here long enough to get help.




awsome, emotional nonsense. and statistically nill "what ifs"..... :roll:
 
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