Reverend_Hellh0und

This will be the gift that keeps on giving for Obama....

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Mentork

Come on reverend, can't you at least wait tell' it gets on faux?

American

Obama should be censured for this. Foreign policy negotiation is none of his damn business. President Bush is still the President, and Obama is out of his lane.

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Objective Voice

Well, nobody said much about Reagan when he negotiated w/Iran not to release the hostages before he was sworn in as president. That one event killed Carter's 2nd bid to the presidency and put Reagan on a path straight to the White House. Of course, this does make Obama look bad when he's been a strong proponant for bringing our troops home. One could argue that it's politics as usual, whereas w/Reagan the other could argue it's a strong-arm tactic to add a feather in his cap after he becomes president...again, much as Reagan did so long ago.

(And mind you, I liked Reagan...still believe to this day he did more to make American's believe in America again than any president since JFK, but you really can't condemn Obama w/o also condeming Reagan for doing the exact same thing.)

Summerwind

Are you kidding me? This is ridiculous. OF COURSE Iraq should wait at least till the election to see who will be president. We don't have to go back very far (Duh, GWB) to see that agreements set into by one administration are often ignored, tabled, and withdrawn from by the next administration. It is wise for Obama to recommend this to any nation that is making pacts with US right now; HONEST and wise.

Since by all indication, Obama is more energetic about Iraqi's actually having sovereignty than GWB or McC; it seems a perfectly sensible for Obama to suggest that the POV he will bring to the table may be worth waiting for.

The idea that GWB may just have to accept timetables before the election would hurt McC way more than it would hurt Obama; if anything, Obama suggesting a delay helps McCain. There's no dirty politics here.

Gill

Please tell me that you're joking.

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Gibberish

Two things about your post.

1. Since when are Senator's forbidden from negotiating with foreign nations?
2. What did Obama negotiate with Iraq?

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Gill

Yep, technically he broke the law as defined by the Logan Act. But, he will never be censured for it.

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Gibberish

This is where I disagree. Exactly what part of the Logan Act did Obama violate?

Is a sitting Senator considered as not having "authority of the United States" to have "correspondence or intercourse" with foreign governments?

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Harshaw

No, he does not have that authority, if in so doing he's attempting to intervene in the foreign policy of the United States.

Foreign policy is Executive branch, exclusively. The Senate consents to treaty ratification (not negotiation) and the appointment of Executive officers, but that's all they do.

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