GottaHurt

I would like to wish you the best of luck, you just barked up the wrong tree, and I personally, will enjoy watching bhkad school you on Obama.

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Pain can be such a beautiful thing

Frolicking Dinosaurs

GottaHurt, I know prrriiide from elsewhere. He is new here and doesn't know who practically everybody has on 'ignore' here yet, but he will catch on fast.

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The US is now out of cash & will see who its real friends are. Be afraid, be very afraid.

bhkad

You know, as dumb as some of those people may be regarding most things, putting me on ignore might be the smartest thing they could do.

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OBL 11/24/02

Mentork

You know, if Mr.Obama wins and leads this country into a new golden age, it'd be hilarious.

prrriiide

I know a hell of a lot more about him than I do Palin, because Palin is being kept away from the public vetting process.

I don't need to fill you in on anything because you have already made up your mind as to what is true and what is not.

I don't know everything about Obama. I even know some things I don't like. But guess what? I don't like much of anything about McCain and Palin. It's certainly within the realm of possibility that a disqualifying revelation could be proved against Obama. But at this point in the game, not only is it getting less and less likely after all this time, but after the avalanche of flat out lies by the right that have been disproved, it is going to take irrefutable, smoking-gun evidence for me to believe it. You righties have cried wolf too often about Obama.

For me to believe anything about al-Mansouri and Obama, I'm going to need to see it from a reputable (non-right wing) media outlet.

Like negotiating the release of American hostages by providing arms and aid to a foreign rebellion?

I see. It's possible for some tin-foil hat copnspiracy to exist involving Obama as a Manchurian candidate, but not McCain, who was actually made available to Chinese and Soviet interrogators during his time as a POW? Please. Get a grip, man.

I never claimed any such thing. That statement is a lie, so you know what that makes you. As such, you have nothing to offer the conversation in terms of credibility. Welcome to my ignore list.

aps

You have no idea how much better your experience will be on DP as a result.

bhkad

What too many of you guys can't quite understand is that if Mr. Obama manages to get past the screening process and makes it to the Oval Office some of his biggest supporters will be Conservative Republicans.

This is OUR country. He would be OUR President. If he messes up because we were messing with his head who will suffer?

US!

It is in our best interest that he do well and we can only hope things turn out better than any of you have thought.

And the last "new golden age" brought about social problems we STILL haven't recovered from, thanks to well intentioned progressives who thought that big Government was the key to solving all our problems.

It didn't work well then and it won't work well now.

You guys support these things without looking at historical proof that it just never works.

But he would still have my best wishes and fervent hope that he suceeds in doing well for us.

My greatest fear, however, aside from his policies, his lack of experience, his questionable judgment and ego, which scare the crap out of me, is the possibility he might revive one or more of those unexplored, unexplained relationships, now with Presidential privilege, to secretly execute some other, unknown agenda. And he'd be more insulated from the threat of disclosure than ever.

We just don't know what this smart, stealthy guy has done in the past because he won't come clean.

And it's like he's got these secret relationships and influences that may be in sleep mode until he is elected and then some day when no one is around he would get a call and take a meeting and that might be the only indication of his doing anything untoward.

And a single phone call is no proof of anything without documentation.

But again, all of this is speculation.

Yet, if he refuses to divulge everything about his past we HAVE to consider what the worse case scenario might be if he actually was pursuing a covert agenda.

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OBL 11/24/02

Mentork

Franklin D. Roosevelt was the best united states president in history, if you have a problem with him, you have a problem with me.

bhkad

That's the smartest or the dumbest thing you'll probably do in your time here!

But, in case you take a peek at this post, I'll answer it.

What do you want to bet that Mr. Mystery Man Obama will still be a big Question ? Mark on Nov. 4th (after 19 months of campaigning) but we will know everything there is to know about Sarah Palin by then?

I didn't come to this position without giving Obama a mental try-out. I actually warmed up to him for about 30 days until I began seeing troubling indications about him and his candidacy. And as I began searching for answers I started noticing signs of a con man. And, as they say, it takes one to know one. And I once was one and the signs I see from his campaign are not the signs of someone deserving of our trust.

He is a very smart, very smooth, well-practiced, Alinsky trained and Harvard Law School educated manipulator. He has the ability to make people believe he shares their opinion, feels their pain and is on their side and supporting their cause when he really isn't. You can't understand the power that affords him. There is a saying that if you can fake sincerity you've really got something! Well he can do that. I recall a story about Obama hearing testimony in the Illinois state Senate and the witnesses believing he was sympathetic to their cause but then voting against the measure. And his election to the presidency of the Harvard Law Review, the conservative editors on the staff thought he was of their belief while the liberals thought he was of their belief. And those of you who may be quick to seize on that as a possible sign of his being able to build bridges with the other side, it should be noted that his own true beliefs aren't in either camp.

He is a Socialist/Marxist.

And most people don't even know he is a LIBERAL!

And a real subtle but significant fact I will reveal about you and yourn vs me and mine is that where you are defending Obama, who you may see as being the victim of unprovoked attacks, I am more than happy to never criticize him again if he is able to eliminate my buyer's objections.

In sales an objection is really just the customer telling you what will sell them. If you can handle those objections then you have a chance at getting the sale.

Well, Obama handles all the objections to some degree. But the superficial nature he handles the objections I have are as convincing as if a guy came home and smelled cigar smoke and lots of air freshener spray in the house and his wife had the telltale scent of men's cologne on her dress and she explained it by saying her girl friend and her baby daddy came over to tell her they were getting married and he lit up a cheroot to celebrate.

When asked who the friend was, wifey replied, "oh, you don't know them."

And you just leave it at that.

Some people are very trusting. Others are willing to suspend disbelief because it makes them feel good to do so. Still others are just emotional buyers and use no rational thinking in deciding to support Obama. Others are voting for him because they want to be racially healed so badly that they will do anything to have their White Guilt washed clean by the Obamessiah. Some are going along with the crowd because EVERYBODY likes him! He's cool.

And if he were fully vetted there would be nothing different about people's reasons for voting for Obama than they'd be for most any candidate in most any election.

But the fact is there ARE troubling questions he hasn't answered which speak to his trustworthiness once he was officially ensconced. And by that time it will take a literal act of Congress to remove him and that is IF this stealthy and smart guy ever aroused suspicion.

My interest is that we have a president who loves America and has no ulterior motives, no back room deals, no secret allegiances, no unpaid debts that can only be discharged by some shady characters on the periphery of the mainstream media's attention, no hidden agendas.

But unless Obama answers these troubling questions with transparency and candor he will remain a suspect. For you, he's a prospect.

If he is able to overcome my buyer's hesitation he could win my admiration but not my vote. I know he is a Socialist/Marxist and I know he is a sneak. He pushed the Global Poverty Act through the process of going to the full Senate for a vote and because it progressed along on a series of voice votes no one had to go on record as having supported this bill which would cost taxpayers $845 Billion over and above what we already pay to the UN and over and above what we already pay out in foreign aid, this bill would tax us and give the money to the United Nations.

Yes, the same UN that was so adept at managing the Oil For Food program. Obama's bill would send hundreds of billions to the UN so they could disperse these funds to the impoverished peoples of the world. One article I read highlighted the ineffectiveness of one UN program by citing their operational costs at 90%. Out of every dollar only 10% went to the cause. 90% went to administrative costs.

Obama hasn't mentioned this at all in his campaigning, but the bill is still alive in the Senate. It has been stalled by a Sen. Coburn but only after the Senator was made aware of how insidious the bill was and how sneaky it had traveled to get that far.

And guess who was one of the 30 co-sponsors?

Joe Biden.

You say that you need someone to prove to you that Obama might or might not be in cahoots with shady characters???

MY GOD, MAN!

Stand up for the integrity of your own Government and be concerned enough to engage the process that will either work for all of us or fail all of us.

You sound like a spoiled brat who has to be coaxed into eating his hamburger. You should want to find this out for yourself and not fold your arms and pout about someone having to meet YOUR standards of credibility!



I hope you never take me off ignore.

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OBL 11/24/02

bhkad

I was born and raised in a family of Democrats. But over the years I came to recognize certain things that set me apart from my friends and family in terms of my political orientation. And I recognized I was a Conservative AFTER voting for Reagan (twice), GHWB, Perot, Dole, Gore and Bush.

I am still of the opinion that FDR was heaven sent. His New Deal and the alphabet programs were crucial to getting America back on it's feet in the 30's. It was Socialism but it was like a tonic in THAT situation. FDR held the baby USA in his arms and fed it the tonic. And we went from being listless and suffering and without any spark of life in our eyes to walking and holding our heads high and resuming life with hope. My grandparents spoke of FDR and loved him. Before the 1960's when it became commonplace to see pictures in family living rooms or JFK, MLK and RFK, the image of FDR was often lovingly displayed alongside family pictures in some homes.

But that tonic is no longer what the country needs. It's main appeal is that it looks merciful and for those with nothing, it promises improvement. But it is not good for the long term. It is not good for our current situation. It ALWAYS has an unpublicized ugly side-effect. And it never works as well as it's proponents hope.

The only things it does without question and without fail is to concentrate wealth and power in the hands of a select few elitists and it always acts as an equalizer; with everyone becoming equally miserable.

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OBL 11/24/02