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Bush's Overseas Policies Begin Resembling Obama's

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Bush's Overseas Policies Begin Resembling Obama's

washingtonpost.com

Barack Obama contends that a John McCain presidency would amount to little more than President Bush's third term. But as it turns out, an Obama presidency might look a bit like Bush's second.

On a range of major foreign policy issues over the past year, Bush has pursued strategies and actions very much along the lines of what Sen. Obama has advocated during his presidential race, according to the Illinois Democrat's campaign and many diplomatic and security experts.


"Change we can believe in!"



Looking at his vote for FISA and other items, seems there is some merit to this article.What say you?
 
Obama, the Republican Presidential Candidate. Now THERE'S change!!!!!
 
"Change we can believe in!"

Thanks for the good article.

I think it is very good news that Bush is showing signs of human intelligence.
But when Obama has been advocating these things for many years, its a little late.

Maybe Bush will start listening a little harder still, and get us out of some of his messes.
But i doubt it.

This paragraph from your article tells tells the story:

But the Obama campaign views the moves as vindication of sorts, arguing that Bush has been forced by the pressure of events to move away from the hard-line policies of his first term and toward a more pragmatic path in his second. When Bush announced the new troop deployments to Afghanistan, for example, Obama said he was "glad that the president is moving in the direction of the policy that I have advocated for years."

This issue is only about Bush because Bush keeps makinjg bad decisions.
But in the end, the only issue is about making the right decisions.

If Bush makes a good decision that Obama supported years prior, the decision is not bad just because Bush is bad.
 
"Change we can believe in!"



Looking at his vote for FISA and other items, seems there is some merit to this article.What say you?

I must point out, that Obama has changed his message of change.

It's now "Change we need".
 
Thanks for the good article.

I think it is very good news that Bush is showing signs of human intelligence.
But when Obama has been advocating these things for many years, its a little late.

Maybe Bush will start listening a little harder still, and get us out of some of his messes.
But i doubt it.

This paragraph from your article tells tells the story:



This issue is only about Bush because Bush keeps makinjg bad decisions.
But in the end, the only issue is about making the right decisions.

If Bush makes a good decision that Obama supported years prior, the decision is not bad just because Bush is bad.




Ahh so it was bush who was against the surge and FISA but is now for it... My bad... :lol:
 
"Change we can believe in!"



Looking at his vote for FISA and other items, seems there is some merit to this article.What say you?

I have a question. If you truly believe that Bush's policies are beginning to look more like Obama's, and you truly believe that conditions are generally improving, then shouldn't you be voting for Obama? :confused:
 
I have a question. If you truly believe that Bush's policies are beginning to look more like Obama's, and you truly believe that conditions are generally improving, then shouldn't you be voting for Obama? :confused:

Call the Reverend what you want, but I don't think he is a Bushnevik.
 
I have a question. If you truly believe that Bush's policies are beginning to look more like Obama's, and you truly believe that conditions are generally improving, then shouldn't you be voting for Obama? :confused:




No....


Cause he chose wrong the 1st time aroun now on at least 3 occasions in this war...


Fail.
 
Call the Reverend what you want, but I don't think he is a Bushnevik.




Thank you sir, and I hope you know I still think the same of McCain as I did before. I just do like Palin that much.


I think Bush screwed the pooch on many many things and increased the deficit like a drunk sailor at a port strip club.....
 
No....


Cause he chose wrong the 1st time aroun now on at least 3 occasions in this war...


Fail.

I see. So then, you are saying one of the following:

1) "I think Bush, McCain and Obama's policies are exactly the same, but I'm voting for McCain (who I previously opposed) instead of Obama because he got there first."

or...

2) "I think that the Obama and Bush have the same policies (which I think have been effective), but I'm voting for McCain anyway because he's stuck with his ineffective policies through thick and thin."

Which is it?
 
That's what he said about McCain too. :roll:


pssst... i still dont like mccain. i like palin... getting her closer to the whitehouse is good for america...

i have done threads on this. you can do an honest assesment if you choose to read em. :2wave:
 
pssst... i still dont like mccain. i like palin...

We'd be safer with Palin than McCain if Palin was the one controling herself.
But the only thing she knows about Foreign Policy are the lines she cram memorizes.
And that she can see Russia from her house.

I am not worried about Palin herself. I am worried about who she will ask for advice when a crisis happens.
Because she certainly won't be making the decisions herself.

Is your Conservative Ideology so important to you that you would risk everything for it?
 
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We'd be safer with Palin than McCain if Palin was the one controling herself.
But the only thing she knows about Foreign Policy are the lines she cram memorizes.
And that she can see Russia from her house.

I am not worried about Palin herself. I am worried about who she will ask for advice when a crisis happens.
Because she certainly won't be making the decisions herself.

Is your Conservative Ideology so important to you that you would risk everything for it?




yes. as the slavery liberals want to impose is no life or ideology worth living.
 
We'd be safer with Palin than McCain if Palin was the one controling herself.
But the only thing she knows about Foreign Policy are the lines she cram memorizes.
And that she can see Russia from her house.

I am not worried about Palin herself. I am worried about who she will ask for advice when a crisis happens.
Because she certainly won't be making the decisions herself.

Is your Conservative Ideology so important to you that you would risk everything for it?

You forget. She was able to see Russia from Alaska.
 
yes. as the slavery liberals want to impose is no life or ideology worth living.

So 50 million Americans being able to see a doctor, some for the first time, this is slavery to you?

Thats a backwards statement if I ever saw one lol.

The Republicans are trying to create such a divide between the rich and the rest that it might as well be slavery.

Class will be the next race at the present rate.

We're halfway back to the era of Nobles and Peasants.
Hell, we are beyond that.
2000:1

Helping your fellow Americans, creating jobs, creating mass investment, getting us on track Internationally, and fiscal responsibility... its not such a terrible thing.

Its not as bad as rolling the dice on President Palin and who she will be getting instruction from in the event of global crisis.
Do you even know?
Who is behind her? Would it be her husband telling her how to handle Putin?
Dick Cheney? Just who would it be? I have no idea who it would be, and thats the problem when dealing with someone completely ignorant of world affairs such as her.

I would honestly elect you before I would elect Palin.
Even knowing that i despise most of what you stand for and disagree with the rest.
 
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So 50 million Americans being able to see a doctor, some for the first time, this is slavery to you?

Thats a backwards statement if I ever saw one lol.

who is denied seeing a doctor today? making others pay for your medical care is slavery.

The Republicans are trying to create such a divide between the rich and the rest that it might as well be slavery.

now that is a backwards statment... republicans did not prevent me from becoming obscenley rich.... :lol:



Class will be the next race at the present rate.


awsome left wing class warfare..... :lol:


We're halfway back to the era of Nobles and Peasants.
Hell, we are beyond that.
2000:1


how many peasants had big screen tv's and cars? sounds like jealousy to me...


Helping your fellow Americans, creating jobs, creating mass investment, getting us on track Internationally, and fiscal responsibility... its not such a terrible thing.

none of these are liberal things or the role of government.


Its not as bad as rolling the dice on President Palin and who she will be getting instruction from in the event of global crisis.
Do you even know?
Who is behind her? Would it be her husband telling her how to handle Putin?
Dick Cheney? Just who would it be? I have no idea who it would be, and thats the problem when dealing with someone completely ignorant of world affairs such as her.


who will obama get instruction from? :lol:


I would honestly elect you before I would elect Palin.
Even knowing that i despise most of what you stand for and disagree with the rest.


if I ran, my army of vote enforcement agents would make sure of this, :mrgreen:
 
who is denied seeing a doctor today?
50 Million American Citizens.
And another number that get rejected even though they have Medical Insurance.
And another however many Illegal Aliens that we should kick out but instead we keep them here as our new slave race because the Rich think Americans are too pricey.


none of these are liberal things or the role of government.
They are some of the core things Obama stands for. Regardless.



who will obama get instruction from? :lol:
Do you honestly see Obama as a puppet like Bush or ignorant like Palin?
He is an intellectual and can think for himself.


if I ran, my army of vote enforcement agents would make sure of this, :mrgreen:
Typical Bush follower :)
 
Thank you sir, and I hope you know I still think the same of McCain as I did before. I just do like Palin that much.


I think Bush screwed the pooch on many many things and increased the deficit like a drunk sailor at a port strip club.....

I disagree with you on Palin. She is an opportunist, and just as crooked as the rest of the lot. I don't know who the victor is going to be this year, but I can tell you that, no matter who wins, the loser will be the American people. If this bunch of Bozos is all we can put up for election this year, then I guess we deserve the royal screwing we keep getting every 4 years. We could do better.... Much better. Question is, when?
 
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I disagree with you on Palin. She is an opportunist, and just as crooked as the rest of the lot. I don't know who the victor is going to be this year, but I can tell you that, no matter who wins, the loser will be the American people. If this bunch of Bozos is all we can put up for election this year, then I guess we deserve the royal screwing we keep getting every 4 years.
Ah hell Palin is more conservative than anyone the GOP has put forward in a long time. You know it and I know it. Complain all ya want about it, ya know it is true. Check back with me November 4th for the reason the predicted "Obama landslide" turns out to be the figment of overactive imagination.

Even if Obama wins, :chew: on that.
 
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Question is, when?

Answer is: never.

The people that are the best to lead this country aren't stupid enough to have carnal knowledge of a hornet's nest.

Think about it. A lot of Presidents through history couldn't have survived the modern-day vetting process. JFK was a womanizer. FDR also. Ike had Kay Summersby. Thomas Jefferson may have fathered at least one child by his slave, Sally hemmings. John Adams won the acquittal of 6 of the 8 British soldiers charged in the Boston Massacre. Think about that in todays political climate. Could you imagine if a 2008 candidate had won the acquittal of some of the 9/11 terrorists? :shock: By all accounts, Ulysses Grant was a raging drunk. James Garfield was involved in a scandal that sold railroad stocks at a preferred rate to congressmen that subsidized the industry. Teddy Roosevelt was an unabashed racist (although to be fair, it was keeping with mainstream thought of the day). Abe Lincoln was reputed to have had a voice like fingernails on a chalkboard. I don' tknow that any of these men could get elected today, even if they were predisposed to run for the office.

We are a country of the lowest common denominator. You see it in our entertainment, in our educational system, in the things we purchase, and in our politics.
 
Ah hell Palin is more conservative than anyone the GOP has put forward in a long time.
Then why keep letting the GOP decide who you can vote for? To hell with the GOP and who they put forward.

What's your favorite color?

Oh, but you can only pick between puke green and diarrhea brown.

And people consider that a "choice."

:shrug:
 
Then why keep letting the GOP decide who you can vote for? To hell with the GOP and who they put forward.

What's your favorite color?

Oh, but you can only pick between puke green and diarrhea brown.

And people consider that a "choice."

:shrug:
Your point was not the context in which my comments to Dan were made. Feel free to vote for an independent candidate, the choice is yours. I myself have a fairly cynical view of politics, as far as this election goes I think my signature banner says it all.;)
 
Back on topic??

Here's the money graf, I think, in the WaPo article:
The administration has pushed ahead with high-level diplomatic negotiations with Iran and North Korea, agreed to a "time horizon" for a reduction of U.S. forces in Iraq and announced plans last week to shift troops and other resources from Iraq to Afghanistan. U.S. officials also confirmed last week that Bush has formally authorized cross-border raids into Pakistan without that government's approval -- an idea that Obama first endorsed, and was heavily criticized for, last year.

a) WRT Iran and North Korea: The Bush administration had been engaged in multilateral diplomacy with the Norks before Obama even became a Senator. Obama's stance with Iran was meeting without preconditions, not high level contacts. But the fact is, the Bush administration has, as had the Clinton administration and Bush41 and Reagan, been engaged with the Iranians before Obama even became Senator. And the Bush administration sought multilateral diplomacy via Britain, France, and Germany...the same multilateral strategy that the Democrats claim Bush abhors and had abandoned as a matter of principle.

Obama gets no points here as Bush was well on his way to such diplomatic actions before Obama became a Senator.

b) The Bush adminstration always had a horizon for withdrawing troops and it was based on conditions on the ground. Obama proposed and argued for an arbitrary timeline for withdrawal regardles of conditions on the ground (and he has abandoned that, too, with his comments about revising the withdrawal schedule he made this summer). Those conditions on the ground have been changing for most of the year and as of mid-summer represented an appropriate time to begin drawing down forces.

Obama gets no points here as Bush had always maintained a policy of troop withdrawal based on changing conditions on the ground. The changes are obviously changing.

c) Shifting resources to Afghanistan. Obama deserves some credit here for arguing for mroe troops in Afghanistan. However, that shift in resources was coming from an arbitrary withdrawal of troops from Iraq as no additional troop resources were available except if they came from Iraq.

d) Obama's criticism of Bush has included painting Bush as a unilateralist cowboy. Yet, Obama's comments about sending US troops into Afghanistan represent precisely that attitude. But, despite the hypocrisy, he deserves some credit. It was a bold suggestion that warranted serious consideration. Bush recently authorized cross-border strikes and pursuit and that fits with Obama's argument regarding Pakistan.

Result: Push. No credit on 2, partial credit on 2.

No, Bush's foreign policy ain't resembling Obama's foreign policy.
 
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