Obama Tried To Stall Gis' Iraq Withdrawal

American · 10-10-08, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Right and Obama is a crack smoking muslim who does the gay sex.

Are you calling Obama a buttplug?

TBone · 10-14-08, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Right and Obama is a crack smoking muslim who does the gay sex.

Hit a nerve when someone talks about pappa Reagan.

Starting to pull out the slurs. Come on Rev, come out of the closest. Weren't you the one who said you were upset when someone accused Obama of being a Muslim? Flip flopping?

here are the allegations, the Senate and House investigation could not find any wrong doing, looks like the GOP covered their tracks, or the Congress forgot to ask the right questions. But, some special ops offered their opinions (see the red bold).

Iran hostage crisis
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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October Surprise conspiracy theory
Further information: October surprise conspiracy
The October Surprise theory refers to a purported deal between high-level Reagan campaign operatives (such as campaign manager and future CIA Director William J. Casey) and representatives of the Iranian government to delay the release of the hostages until after the November 1980 U.S. elections. Although investigations by the United States Senate and House of Representatives in the 1990s declared the allegations to be unfounded, the conspiracy's existence or lack thereof remains a subject of debate. The exact nature of the allegations lies in a potential violation of the International Commerce Acts of 1798, which prohibit any private citizen or party from negotiating with a foreign power in matters of national policy or military action. It is alleged by political opponents that the Reagan campaign, or one of Reagan's election campaign staffers, communicated with the Iranian government and asked them to extend the hostage crisis long enough to ensure that he won the 1980 elections. The main cause for suspicion was the seeming coincidence of his inauguration and the hostages' release six minutes after Reagan was sworn into office on January 20, 1981, as well as the Reagan administration's later decision to provide arms to the anti-U.S. Iranian government, allegedly in return not for freeing the hostages, but for delaying their release.[59]

However, special ops personnel involved in the preparations for the second rescue attempt believed that incoming President Ronald Reagan was involved in the planning and timing of the second rescue attempt, and that these intentions were either implied or made known to the de facto Iranian government, leading to the hostages' release just minutes after Reagan's inauguration. This was reinforced by the fact that the personnel involved were on alert status, ready to go at a moment's notice, in the days leading up to the inauguration, and that the required equipment was already packed up and waiting to be shipped. Thus, a perceived and possibly communicated threat of invasion could also have influenced the timing of the hostage release.[60].[61]

TBone · 10-14-08, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by American

That was a proven bull****, go find something real.

American, you cannot believe your beloved GOP was ever dishonest. Did you think Nixon was framed? Because someone doesn't want to investigate something, or because the GOP is good at covering their tracks, doesn't mean it did not happen. It just means they did not get caught. But, if we are going to use this standard, Obama is innocent of all the allegation your sorry party made about him trying to stall the withdrawl of troops because you cannot prove he did this???????

I found these interesting tid bits of history while doing some research about Pappa Reagan. DP members, bare with me, American inferred that I was a liar.

From CREATING A TASK FORCE TO INVESTIGATE CERTAIN ALLEGATIONS CONCERNING THE HOLDING OF AMERICANS AS HOSTAGES BY IRAN IN 1980 (House of Representatives - February 05, 1992) From the New York Times, Apr. 15, 1991 The Election Story of the Decade

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Suspicions about a deal between the Reagan campaign and Iran over the hostages have circulated since the day of President Reagan's inaugural, when Iran agreed to release the 52 American hostages exactly five minutes after Mr. Reagan took the oath of office. Later, as it became known that arms started to flow to Iran via Israel only a few days after the inauguration, suspicions deepened that a secret arms-for-hostages deal had been concluded.

Five years later, when the Iran-contra affair revealed what seemed to be a similar swap of hostages for arms delivered through Israel, questions were revived about the 1980 election. In a nice, ironic twist, the phrase `October surprise,' which Vice Presidential candidate George Bush had coined to warn of possible political manipulation of the hostages by Jimmy Carter, began to be applied to the suspected secret activities of the 1980 Reagan-Bush campaign.

I was a member of the Carter Administration and on the staff of the National Security Council from August 1976 to April 1981, with responsibility for monitoring Iran policy. I first heard these rumors in 1981 and I dismissed them as fanciful. I again heard them during the 1988 election campaign, and I again refused to believe them. I had worked in and around the Middle East long enough to be skeptical of the conspiracy theories that abound in the region.

Then two years ago, I began collecting documentation for a book on the Reagan Administration's policies toward Iran. That effort grew into a massive computerized data base, the equivalent of many thousands of pages. As I sifted through this mass of material, I began to recognize a curious pattern in the events surrounding the 1980 election. Increasingly, I began to focus on that period, and interviewed a wide range of sources. I benefited greatly from the help of many interested, talented investigative journalists.

In the course of hundreds of interviews, in the U.S., Europe and the Middle East, I have been told repeatedly that individuals associated with the Reagan-Bush campaign of 1980 met secretly with Iranian officials to delay the release of the American hostages until after the Presidential election. For this favor, Iran was rewarded with a substantial supply of arms from Israel

Reverend_Hellh0und · 10-15-08, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TBone

Hit a nerve when someone talks about pappa Reagan.

Starting to pull out the slurs. Come on Rev, come out of the closest. Weren't you the one who said you were upset when someone accused Obama of being a Muslim? Flip flopping?

i guess the sarcasm was lost on you. you make a stupid statment, and I will follow up in kind for pure entertainment value.

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here are the allegations, the Senate and House investigation could not find any wrong doing, looks like the GOP covered their tracks, or the Congress forgot to ask the right questions. But, some special ops offered their opinions (see the red bold).

Funny stuff. still allegations are not proof. sorry. if they were then we could say those mean things I said about obama were proof.

JMak · 10-15-08, 10:36 AM

So, Obama declares thast he's going to bring troops home immediately. And then revises his withdrawal declaration.

Obama declares that wants the troops home ASAP. And then tries to stall their withdrawal.

Obama engages in very nearly illegal and prosecutable foreign diplomacy as he attempts to negotiate with Iraqis to stall Bush's attempts to negotiate a troop plan.

Obama declares that he would re-open NAFTA while at the same dispatching campaign personnel to Canada to assure them that he would do no such thing.

Really, what's this all say about Obama's judgment, integrity, and character?

He's a liar, plain and simple.

ADK_Forever · 10-15-08, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JMak

Obama engages in very nearly illegal and prosecutable foreign diplomacy as he attempts to negotiate with Iraqis to stall Bush's attempts to negotiate a troop plan.

In other words what he did wassssssssssssssssss...... not illegal orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr in other words................... LEGAL!

10-15-08, 10:36 AM	#75
JMak Professor Join Date: Sep 2008 Last Seen: 02-13-09 03:15 PM Posts: 1,942 Thanks: 41 Thanked 570 Times in 413 Posts Lean: Conservative	Re: Obama Tried To Stall Gis' Iraq Withdrawal So, Obama declares thast he's going to bring troops home immediately. And then revises his withdrawal declaration. Obama declares that wants the troops home ASAP. And then tries to stall their withdrawal. Obama engages in very nearly illegal and prosecutable foreign diplomacy as he attempts to negotiate with Iraqis to stall Bush's attempts to negotiate a troop plan. Obama declares that he would re-open NAFTA while at the same dispatching campaign personnel to Canada to assure them that he would do no such thing. Really, what's this all say about Obama's judgment, integrity, and character? He's a liar, plain and simple.

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