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Old 10-09-08, 10:00 PM   #51
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Re: Obama violated Logan Act?

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If they have the evidence, and what I am hearing is they actually do, to prove Obama was out of bounds in tis, will you call for an investigation and prosecution of Obama? I'd go far as to say you'd still vote Obama even if the evidence is clear cut, inescapable proof he violated the law.

Dan Rather set up?? Are you kidding me? Seriously? Rather ran with faked papers and went down for it. The guy that made his break covering a storm went out in a storm of his own making.

Teh Swift Boat Vets came out and said what they wanted too, blame Kerry for being unable to, even with the entire media behind him, to counter their claims.
Keep your fingers crossed and pray for a miracle, because with the ticket that the GOP presented for this election, you will need more crap to win.

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Re: Obama violated Logan Act?

I don't think this is a last minute deal. This must be more coming to light from the story several weeks back.
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Re: Obama violated Logan Act?

The obama campaign has refuted these allegations, and i don't find them credible in any way.
They're frankly ludicrous, and no, they are not going to present a problem for the campaign.

And yes, the majority of Obama supporters would probably continue to support obama even if they were true.
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I don't think this is a last minute deal. This must be more coming to light from the story several weeks back.
That's what I've heard as well.

And Tbone, until Palin was placed on the ticket, I figured McCain had no hope of bringing the GOP Base out to vote. You lefties love to talk about how stupid, dumb and awful the GOP candidates are, but you guys keep losing to them.

If I we're you, I'd be worried they have video, audio or written proof showing Obama pushing for the Iraqi Government to act in a way counter to official US Policy. Not only would such be illegal under the law, but the American People would turn on Obama, hardcore. I'm not betting on this either way, I await the evidence to be provided. If it's just a story of "he said/she said" variety it's impact will be negligible.
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The obama campaign has refuted these allegations, and i don't find them credible in any way.
They're frankly ludicrous, and no, they are not going to present a problem for the campaign.

And yes, the majority of Obama supporters would probably continue to support obama even if they were true.
Of course they would, the rule of law doesn't matter too much to democrats.
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Of course they would, the rule of law doesn't matter too much to democrats.
The entire Iraq debacle is against the law.
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Re: Obama violated Logan Act?

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The entire Iraq debacle is against the law.
...what law?
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Re: Obama Tried To Stall Gis' Iraq Withdrawal

Worse comes to worse, Obama gets dropped.
Biden-Clinton?

Clinton > Palin if you want the women's vote.
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The entire Iraq debacle is against the law.
You obviously fail at understanding the law, but then again, you also said "What's so great about the Constitution" so...

I know I for one cannot take anything you say seriously in terms of principles, law or substance.
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Re: Obama Tried To Stall Gis' Iraq Withdrawal

Also, since you don't have any respect for the Constitution, which is the source of rights, laws and all that "American" stuff you seem to despise, how can you judge something legal or illegal if you discount the very document from which all US Laws are derived?
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