Obama Tried To Stall Gis' Iraq Withdrawal

ADK_Forever · 09-15-08, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Harshaw

It doesn't matter if he's a Senator. He's not authorized to negotiate foreign policy.

(And no, the Senate isn't, either. It's loooooooooong-settled law that foreign policy is the exclusive realm of the Executive branch, and the only checks Congress has involve funding or the declaration of war. Neither has anything to do with this specific thing.)

He wasn't "negotiating" (and you know it!) and the statute doesn't mention "negotiating". He was having a conversation and asking questions. That's what all you Repubs complained about when he hadn't gone over to Iraq. Then, when he does go, you bitch and whine about the conversations you all insisted he have.

Maybe you would be happier if he had walked through Baghdad wearing kevlar body armor surrounded by a hundred men armed security force while spewing how safe it was on the street... since that kind of action seems to give ya'll the warm fuzzies!

bhkad · 09-15-08, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

I'm wont to believe this, but I'll wait for a slightly more reputable source. If it's true, there will be more about it somewhere.

Not necessarily.

Don't misunderestimate his skill at deception.

How do you think he has gotten this far with so many question marks surrounding his past?

Remember, astronomers were only able to confirm the existence of Black Holes by looking at the way light behaved around the hole. If you look at the hole itself you'd see nothing.

If you tell one person a secret and they have sufficient reason to keep it secret and sufficient smarts to understand the situation they are in, nothing will likely be seen or heard about this secret.

That's why Obama and unrepentant terrorist and small "c" Communist, William Ayers say nothing about their relationship other than what Obama has said about it, i.e. that it was very casual. Circumstances surrounding the relationship betray his characterization. But neither one of them is saying anything more.

That is the level of deception were talking about here, by a LAW PROFESSOR and ALINSKY INSTRUCTOR.

He is not who we think he is.

Gibberish · 09-15-08, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

He is deceptively sneaky. But waaay practiced at it.

It is one of his most distinguishing characteristics.

That's what has been behind his failure to be properly vetted.

Stealth.

Any clues he leaves behind are not going to be the kind the Little Rascals would likely recognize.

They would be wispy. Solitary. Hard to confirm. And then with just a little effort from his Obamatons the clue or the source itself would vanish.

Poof.

And when it happens once. We pay it no attention at all.

When it happens twice we scratch our heads.

When it happens over and over and over again in the same may we have to start asking ourselves if this guy is really who we think he is.

Is he ready to lead?

Or just deceive?

His supporters have given him a license to deceive.

And now they are trying to get you to throw in with him.

Before I do that I want him to start answering the questions about Ayers and Rezko and Auchi and most recently, Mike Klonsky.

And if Obama thinks this is just an example of partisanship or smear tactics, all he has to do to put an end to them is just come clean on these associations.

But he won't.

He can't.

He knows he would lose when people find out the truth.

So he has surrounded himself with legions of pawns who will use any and all kinds of dirty tricks to try to keep their Obamessiah from having to answer to the people.

Nothing you said has any factual claim. You might as well be standing on the street corner with a "Obama is the anti-Christ" sign around your neck.

Panther · 09-15-08, 07:11 PM

Very unlikely that the anti-Christ will be a muslim.

Gibberish · 09-15-08, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Panther

Very unlikely that the anti-Christ will be a muslim.

Well then you have one fact against Obama that he may very well be the anti-Christ.

Harshaw · 09-15-08, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ADK_Forever

He wasn't "negotiating" (and you know it!) and the statute doesn't mention "negotiating". He was having a conversation and asking questions.

You can delude yourself if you like.

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Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

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Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

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That's what all you Repubs complained about when he hadn't gone over to Iraq. Then, when he does go, you bitch and whine about the conversations you all insisted he have.

Maybe you would be happier if he had walked through Baghdad wearing kevlar body armor surrounded by a hundred men armed security force while spewing how safe it was on the street... since that kind of action seems to give ya'll the warm fuzzies!

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

Sorry, ducky -- if this is what he did, then he's guilty.

I agree that there needs to be a better source than this, and if he did it, it'll come out.

But if he did, he violated the Logan Act (quoted from above). If so, it's a felony with jail time involved.

Or is The One above the law?

Felicity · 09-15-08, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhkad

He is deceptively sneaky. But waaay practiced at it.

It is one of his most distinguishing characteristics.

That's what has been behind his failure to be properly vetted.

Stealth.

Any clues he leaves behind are not going to be the kind the Little Rascals would likely recognize.

They would be wispy. Solitary. Hard to confirm. And then with just a little effort from his Obamatons the clue or the source itself would vanish.

Poof.

And when it happens once. We pay it no attention at all.

When it happens twice we scratch our heads.

When it happens over and over and over again in the same may we have to start asking ourselves if this guy is really who we think he is.

Is he ready to lead?

Or just deceive?

His supporters have given him a license to deceive.

And now they are trying to get you to throw in with him.

Before I do that I want him to start answering the questions about Ayers and Rezko and Auchi and most recently, Mike Klonsky.

And if Obama thinks this is just an example of partisanship or smear tactics, all he has to do to put an end to them is just come clean on these associations.

But he won't.

He can't.

He knows he would lose when people find out the truth.

So he has surrounded himself with legions of pawns who will use any and all kinds of dirty tricks to try to keep their Obamessiah from having to answer to the people.

Okay--I think you're a tad over the top. I think he's very political and plays the games, but I really don't see him as very good at the conniving game you describe. If he were, he'd be a lot more slick. I think he comes off kinda dorky and perhaps medicated. Just my impression.

Felicity · 09-15-08, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

Not necessarily.

Don't misunderestimate his skill at deception.

How do you think he has gotten this far with so many question marks surrounding his past?

Remember, astronomers were only able to confirm the existence of Black Holes by looking at the way light behaved around the hole. If you look at the hole itself you'd see nothing.

If you tell one person a secret and they have sufficient reason to keep it secret and sufficient smarts to understand the situation they are in, nothing will likely be seen or heard about this secret.

That's why Obama and unrepentant terrorist and small "c" Communist, William Ayers say nothing about their relationship other than what Obama has said about it, i.e. that it was very casual. Circumstances surrounding the relationship betray his characterization. But neither one of them is saying anything more.

That is the level of deception were talking about here, by a LAW PROFESSOR and ALINSKY INSTRUCTOR.

He is not who we think he is.

You give him too much credit. If he was so practiced and slick, he'd have not fumbled so much over Wright and the other stuff. He's exactly what he's been described as--an empty suit promising a dazzling house of cards.

SouthernDemocrat · 09-15-08, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Panther

Very unlikely that the anti-Christ will be a muslim.

Very unlikely that the "anti-Christ" will ever exist.

SouthernDemocrat · 09-15-08, 07:56 PM

So what we have is a tabloid making this claim. Nothing else, no other sources have been provided. I clicked the google link earlier in the article and nothing came up.

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