Originally Posted by Pilots For 911 Truth

Whenever, you feel like explaining Douglas Calum's work on Flight 77's FDR, which was vouched for by the NTSB, then let me know and I will accommodate you in any debate format that you select. That data is bullet proof and it came straight from the Federal Government. It clearly demonstrates that Flight 77 could never have struck the Pentagon and it does it using three (3) separate and distinct dimensions of data/parameters.

Now, if you really want to learn something about how things worked on 911, then I'll accommodate you - otherwise, you'd be far better off continuing with your hit-and-run posts that say nothing and demonstrate no real knowledge of the facts.

Originally Posted by Pilots For 911 Truth

BHKAD,

Knowing the subject matter the way I do, I do not take offense at your misguided attempt at taking me to school. Rather, I will simply and gently, help to lead you away from the coolaid you now hold in your hands.

Contrasting a comparable to fish and the American people, might be something that the school of Rovian Theology teaches, but as one who served his country, I cannot agree with the parallel. I see my fellow Americans as brothers and sisters, not single celled organisms to be led astray at the drop of a 527 sixty second spot.

The inexperienced minorities comment says a ton about your level of character and intellect, but I won't go deep into that, because I can't. (let's see if you get that one)

Classifying anyone as being naive for recognizing the fallacy of Palin's RNC speech, where she attempt to integrate her 'maverick' with McCain's 'maverick' while raising 'reform', is like attempting to classify Santa Clause with elves from the North Pole. Neither one truly exists. If McCain is a 'change agent', then I'm 007.

Definitely, neither shaken or stirred by your reply, I will attempt to help you step into the light, by explaining to you one simple fact of American Politics: No one has the right level of experience for the job of the Presidency unless he/she has already been one. Of course, you already know how moot that point would be.

The issue is not now, nor has it ever been, experience. That's yet another Rovian Red Herring. However, the real issues here are:

a) Presidential Aptitude
b) Presidential Capacity
c) Presidential Appropriateness

These are the essential factors that determine whether or not one has the requisite competency to be President, not experience. We live in a cause and effect universe and because of that, there can be no effect (experience) without there first being a causality (aptitude, capacity & appropriateness). So, logically and even mathematically (if you push me far enough), I've just proven the Red Herring nature of asking whether or not experience matters. None of the four (4) candidates have it - because from their frame of reference, it simply cannot exist. Attempting to argue against that, is futile, not to mention silly.

Both Obama and Biden have more 'competency' for the Presidency than either McCain or Palin. Palin, is a none starter and has been since before she was selected. Obama, has been vetted by an almost 2 year process of being sifted by the American People, and found to be still standing - plus his almost 20 years of public services at various levels including that of State Senator and United States Senator (once again, vetted by even more Americans). Biden has been vetted over his entire career and so has McCain, throughout his entire career in the U.S. Senate.

That leaves Palin. The unvetted lipstick wearing bulldog (self-proclaimed, don't blame me for saying it) from Alaska who has NOW been caught telling more lies about what she has done at both Major and Governor, than Wilt Chamberlin has about his variable conquests. Palin, has never been vetted on a national level - ever. She got elected in Tiny Town (Wassila, Alaska) by 11,000 votes - TOTAL. That's not very impressive to be rather honest with you. Alaska itself, could be called Tiny State, on a per-capita basis as its total population is much smaller than the city of San Francisco.

Obama, Biden and McCain have been vetted nationally by hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands and eventually, millions of Americans. Palin? She was picked by one man, Karl Rove (if the truth be told). That's not very impressive either. The word experience has been misused and abused in this election cycle and for good reason, it is the Republicans albatross.

They saw that they could not win on the issues, so they switched to a knife fight and mud slinging. Great or a reality TV show, but not very helpful to the American People who are trying to figure out how to pay that way overdue mortgage payment. Or, whether not this month's cash flow will be used for grocery shopping or energy bills. Many out there can relate to that.

007, I am not (as yoda might say). Maverick, he is not (as yoda might refer to McCain).

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I await all your replies!

Originally Posted by ADK_Forever

...There is plenty of proof that a 757 did indeed hit the Pentagon.

Originally Posted by ADK_Forever

...Calum's presentation is impressive and I can't explain why he got it wrong but, other experts can and do.

Originally Posted by ADK_Forever

...So, since this is your baby, I suggest you open a new thread for this and convince us why this guy isn't a nut bag. Then we can also show you the evidence we have that proves to us that you are wrong. It would also be more enjoyable if you could check your attitude at the door.

Originally Posted by Pilots For 911 Truth

Now, how about you stop re-directing this thread, and get back to the original points that you still have not addressed.

Originally Posted by bhkad

Rain check.

I'm going to catch some fish now.

But I'll catch you later.

Originally Posted by ADK_Forever

Hey arrogant one! I invited you to start another thread for this subject so, this topic didn't take over this thread. If you don't want to do that then I assume you don't want to discuss your theories.

And you don't think you have an attitude?

Originally Posted by Pilots For 911 Truth

Maybe you can't read to well. I said there was another thread where this can be discussed. You need to pay more attention instead of trying to be cute.

Lastly, you need to learn how to read in context. This is a linear format, so to keep yourself form looking foolish, you really should read what came before, so you don't make silly comments as you have done here. I'm not going to be responsible for doing your reading for you.

Clearly, you can't rebut the point of this thread - if you could, you would have spent your time doing that, instead of the typical right-sided name calling that you typically devolve into.

As predicted, no doubt.

Originally Posted by Pilots For 911 Truth

I know. But, my thread is being sarcastic for a reason. I can't get a good debate with a Republican to save my life! They run and hide from my much harder hitting posts, so I throw something like this out there, to get them to come out of their caves.

Originally Posted by Panther

It's two completely different messages:

Change we can believe in.

vs.

Change we will actually accomplish.