Dionysius crucified...God's SUN!

Joe Hill · 09-06-08, 03:40 AM

From the second century BC! Deal with it, christians!

oh, I know...the "DEVIL"

made them imitate the "real" Sun God.

Joe Hill · 09-06-08, 03:58 AM

Actually, pre-Christian crosses are common as rocks.

As are pre-christian messiahs and christs. The depraved, self-castrated Xtian monks of Egypt burnt the library of Alexandria and tortured + mutilated the beautiful and highly educated pagan champion Hypatia to hide the fact that the Jesus myth was no more than a cheap forgery stolen from centuries of traditional Osiris mythologies. The Conquistadores had to do a fair amount of their own smashing and destroying. The fact that a town is called "Vera Cruz" or "true cross" exposes the fact that the Aztecs and other Meso-Americans had their own crosses, emblem of the Sun.

Gladiator · 09-06-08, 06:17 AM

Most Christians do not claim that crosses did not exist before Christ. In fact the Cristian Bible talks about two other men being crucified with Jesus.

Matthew 27, "38Two robbers were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left."

Other religions also had stories, before Christ, of a prophet being born, having been concieved by immaculate conception.

Crucifiction was a common form of punishment before Christ was born.

What is the connection with the Sun God?

UtahBill · 09-06-08, 08:16 AM

Usually it is the christains who try to make something out of almost nothing....
There is nothing of substance here.

Kernel Sanders · 09-06-08, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Hill

From the second century BC! Deal with it, christians!

oh, I know...the "DEVIL"

made them imitate the "real" Sun God.

Christ was definitely not the first to be crucified, even on the day of the event there were 2(?) other common criminals along with him. Much of the more specific imagery, however, (e.g. resurrection three days after execution) is common to pagan theology from the time, which is more troubling.

There's a lot of BS in Christianity, and a lot of borrowed traditions/holidays/images that the Church emphatically claims as its own, but this is not an example of such

1069 · 09-06-08, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders

Christ was definitely not the first to be crucified, even on the day of the event there were 2(?) other common criminals along with him. Much of the more specific imagery, however, (e.g. resurrection three days after execution) is common to pagan theology from the time, which is more troubling.

There's a lot of BS in Christianity, and a lot of borrowed traditions/holidays/images that the Church emphatically claims as its own, but this is not an example of such

The Romans commonly crucified people.
The imagery in Stephen King's novel The Stand, where dissenters were crucified on telephone poles all along Interstate 15 leading into Las Vegas, is probably borrowed from the Romans, whose great roads- Cassia, Flaminia, Appia, and Aurelia- were often lined with crucified and decomposing corpses.

Joe Hill · 09-07-08, 03:06 AM

not just Roman punitive methods....religious emblemology dating back to ancient egypt, i.e., the AHNK>

Tashah · 09-07-08, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Hill

not just Roman punitive methods....religious emblemology dating back to ancient egypt, i.e., the AHNK>

The correct term is Ankh and the pictograph symbolized eternal life. Ankh was also incorporated into ancient Egyptian names.

ie... Ankhesenpaaten (She who lives through the God Aten)

Frolicking Dinosaurs · 09-07-08, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Gladiator

Most Christians do not claim that crosses did not exist before Christ. In fact the Cristian Bible talks about two other men being crucified with Jesus.

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Matthew 27:38 - Two robbers were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left.

Other religions also had stories, before Christ, of a prophet being born, having been conceived by immaculate conception.

Crucifixion was a common form of punishment before Christ was born.

What is the connection with the Sun God?

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Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders

Christ was definitely not the first to be crucified, even on the day of the event there were 2 other common criminals along with him. Much of the more specific imagery, however, (e.g. resurrection three days after execution) is common to pagan theology from the time, which is more troubling.

There's a lot of BS in Christianity, and a lot of borrowed traditions/holidays/images that the Church emphatically claims as its own, but this is not an example of such

Christmas was started because many of the Christians were celebrating the birth of the Sun god:

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For today's Christian, the origin of Christmas is, and should be, the birth of Jesus Christ as recorded in the Bible. Nothing more and nothing less. However, most of what we witness on December 25th each year has absolutely nothing to do with that blessed day, which probably occurred in late summer or early fall about 2,000 years ago. In fact, most of the customs and traditions of Christmas actually pre-date the birth of Jesus, and many of them are downright deceptive in their meaning and origin. Here are a few examples:

The date of December 25th probably originated with the ancient "birthday" of the son-god, Mithra, a pagan deity whose religious influence became widespread in the Roman Empire during the first few centuries A.D. Mithra was related to the Semitic sun-god, Shamash, and his worship spread throughout Asia to Europe where he was called Deus Sol Invictus Mithras. Rome was well-known for absorbing the pagan religions and rituals of its widespread empire. As such, Rome converted this pagan legacy to a celebration of the god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god during the winter solstice period. The winter holiday became known as Saturnalia and began the week prior to December 25th. The festival was characterized by gift-giving, feasting, singing and downright debauchery, as the priests of Saturn carried wreaths of evergreen boughs in procession throughout the Roman temples.

Variations of this pagan holiday flourished throughout the first few centuries after Jesus Christ, but it probably wasn't until 336 AD that Emperor Constantine officially converted this pagan tradition into the "Christian" holiday of Christmas.

Easter celebration was started for similar reasons:

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The origin of Easter dates back to ancient times, not long after the global Flood recorded in Genesis 6-9 of the Bible. Nimrod, a grandson of Noah, had turned from following his grandfather’s God and had become a tyrannical ruler. According to the biblical record, as king, Nimrod created Babel, Ninevah, Asshur, Calla and other cities, all known for lifestyles that promoted unspeakable evil and perversion. When Nimrod died, his wife, Queen Semiramis, deified him as the Sun-god, or Life Giver. Later he would become known as Baal, and those who followed the religion Semiramis created in his name would be called Baal worshipers. They became associated with idolatry, demon worship, human sacrifice and other practices regarded as evil.

The origin of Easter involves the birth of Semiramis’ illegitimate son, Tammuz. Somehow, Semiramis convinced the people that Tammuz was actually Nimrod reborn. Since people had been looking for the promised savior since the beginning of mankind (see Genesis 3:15), they were persuaded by Semiramis to believe that Tammuz was that savior, even that he had been supernaturally conceived. Before long, in addition to worshiping Tammuz (or Nimrod reborn), the people also worshiped Semiramis herself as the goddess of fertility. In other cultures, she has been called Ishtar, Ashtur and yes, Easter.

The origin of Easter goes back to the springtime ritual instituted by Semiramis following the death of Tammuz, who, according to tradition, was killed by a wild boar. Legend has it that through the power of his mother’s tears, Tammuz was “resurrected” in the form of the new vegetation that appeared on the earth.

According to the Bible, it was in the city of Babel that the people created a tower in order to defy God. Up until that time, all the people on the earth spoke one language. The building of the tower led God, as recorded in Genesis 11:7, to confuse their tongues to keep them from being further unified in their false beliefs. As the people moved into other lands, many of them took their pagan practices with them.

Contemporary traditions such as the Easter Bunny and the Easter egg can also be traced back to the practices established by Semiramis. Because of their prolific nature, rabbits have long been associated with fertility and its goddess, Ishtar. Ancient Babylonians believed in a fable about an egg that fell into the Euphrates River from heaven and from which Queen Astarte (another name for Ishtar or Semiramis) was “hatched.”

Origin of Easter - Resurrection Day for Christians
For Christians, the origin of Easter is simply the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ about 2,000 years ago. According to the Gospel accounts, Jesus Christ, the true Messiah promised in the Old Testament, was crucified and resurrected at the time of the Jewish Passover. Since that awesome event took place, those who believe Christ is their Messiah have honored that day and often celebrated it with the traditional Passover. As the Gospel of Christ spread throughout non-Jewish nations, among people who did not have a history of celebrating the Passover, the pagan rites of Easter gradually became assimilated into what the Christian church called “Resurrection Day.”

Compromising the commandments of God with the comfort of the world is as old as the nation of Israel itself. Actually, American history teaches us that Easter was dismissed as a pagan holiday by the nation’s founding Puritans and did not begin to be widely observed until just after the Civil War. Those interested in a Christian view of American history and the gradual compromise of America’s Biblical foundations may wish to read books such as The Light and the Glory by Peter Marshall and David Manuel.

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"We find no less that twelve mythical-historical personages before the advent of Christ, who are said to have suffered crucifixion/death and to have risen from the dead. Among them are:
Krishna, Wittoba, Osiris, Attis, Indra, Prometheus, Mithra, Dionysus, Hesus, Aesculapius, Adonis and Apollonius of Tyana

Several of these figures are said to have been crucified at the spring equinox and to have risen on the third day."
Source - The Christian Conspiracy: The Orthodox Suppression of Original Christianity

Customs like baptism and communion were also common practices inpagan religions long before Christians began the practices.

All of these borrowed rites and rituals make it a bit difficult to separate the practice of Christianity from the practice of paganism - and they understandably lead to many dismissing Christianity as nothing more than another pagan religion.

Joe Hill · 09-08-08, 09:10 PM

12 astrological figures = 12 disciples or 12 tribes. Astrlogical cross the most ancient sacred symbol.

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Joe Hill Educator Join Date: Sep 2007 Last Seen: 11-30-08 01:19 PM Posts: 644 Thanks: 24 Thanked 100 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Dionysius crucified...God's SUN! Actually, pre-Christian crosses are common as rocks. As are pre-christian messiahs and christs. The depraved, self-castrated Xtian monks of Egypt burnt the library of Alexandria and tortured + mutilated the beautiful and highly educated pagan champion Hypatia to hide the fact that the Jesus myth was no more than a cheap forgery stolen from centuries of traditional Osiris mythologies. The Conquistadores had to do a fair amount of their own smashing and destroying. The fact that a town is called "Vera Cruz" or "true cross" exposes the fact that the Aztecs and other Meso-Americans had their own crosses, emblem of the Sun.
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