Fairness Doctrine

rathi · 09-06-08, 02:03 PM

Fairness doctrine is not compatible with free speech. If the American public is stupid enough to continue to tune into crappy media, than they will get the governments they deserve. They guys who do political talk radio may be full of crap and indirectly responsible for some of our current political problems, but thats no reason to go trampling on the constitution. In America, you have a right to be a hypocritical attack dog weasel, and the government can't take it away from you.

Kandahar · 09-07-08, 12:53 AM

Also, there is the question of what constitutes an "opposing view." Let's say that I have my radio show, and I'm interviewing a congressman who wants to cut the top income tax rate to 32%. Who do I get to argue the opposing view? Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders?

Is is absolutely impossible to be fully in compliance with the Fairness Doctrine unless you aren't talking about politics at all. It is an unconscionable violation of freedom of speech that seems like it was written by Hugo Chavez.

09-08-08, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kandahar

Also, there is the question of what constitutes an "opposing view." Let's say that I have my radio show, and I'm interviewing a congressman who wants to cut the top income tax rate to 32%. Who do I get to argue the opposing view? Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders?

Is is absolutely impossible to be fully in compliance with the Fairness Doctrine unless you aren't talking about politics at all. It is an unconscionable violation of freedom of speech that seems like it was written by Hugo Chavez.

And plus, it doesn't even make sense from a liberal viewpoint.

If I was a liberal I would fight to keep Michael Savage on the air.

Ikari · 09-08-08, 09:38 AM

Freedom of speech
Freedom of press

jamesrage · 09-08-08, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pull My Finger

Here is what I understand the FD to be:

It is required that both sides of an issue be covered fairly and equally.

The Personal Attack Rule (abolished in 2000): It used to be that if you were going to personally attack someone on air, you had to notify the person, give them a transcript of what was said, and give them a fair chance to respond to the attack.

The Political Editorial Rule (also abolished in 2000): It used to be that opposing political figures be given equal opportunity to 'sell' themselves.

Simplistically:

Those in opposition of the renewal of the FD claim it will curb free speech, constrict the internet, and is unconstitutional.

Those for the FD largely claim the FD will curb the bias in our media, won’t constrict free speech, and constitutional issues can be dealt with on a case by case…

It’s a public poll. For or against the FD?

Peace

I think it would be nice if the fairness doctrine applied to the media in general(newspapers,radio, tv and internet)for example they report how many troops and innocent civilians were killed then they would have to report how many terrorist/enemy combatants/insurgents were killed and or captured by our troops,Iraqi troops, Afghan troops and coalition forces.Or another example of what would be fairness in the media if they slam a republican day after day for having an affair,sending emails to a 17 year old male Paige or get involved in some gay restroom incident they would have to do the same to a democrat who does the same thing(not praise him because he came out of the closet like the douchebag new Jersey governor). Or another example of what would be fairness in the media is if the media did some story about some pathetic suicidal looser shooting up a school and mentioning that he used a gun and how and where he got it they would have to give equal coverage to a story of someone stopping a gunman or potential from shooting up a place and actually mention the type of weapon used not just call it a weapon and how he or she got it.

However I know the fairness doctrine only applies to radio media and that even if it applied to all other media a liberal claiming to be a moderate would probably be put in charge in determining what is the other side's story and what constitutes equal coverage. So no I do not support the fairness doctrine.

ronpaulvoter · 09-08-08, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pull My Finger

Here is what I understand the FD to be:

It is required that both sides of an issue be covered fairly and equally.

I would be in favor of a fairness doctrine at the ballot box--in other words, fairness in ballot access.

Most states have restrictions on which candidates can even get their names put on a ballot. Some of these restrictions are so severe it is almost impossible for any independent or third party candidate to get on at all, thus shutting out challengers to nasty, power-grubbing incumbents.

The ONLY fair way to do it is to let any and all persons who want to run have their names on the ballot. If 100 or more people want to run for one office, so be it.

Zyphlin · 09-08-08, 01:49 PM

Moderator's Warning:

Please don't derail the thread into an entirely different topic from what's being talked about. The fairness doctrine has nothing to do with voting issues at the ballot box, nor does this thread.

Pull My Finger · 09-12-08, 01:19 PM

It’s hard not to challenge the posts here without getting into the other major problems with the media industry.

I realize it’ll take 2 ½ hours, but these two docs do a pretty good job of explaining what is wrong with the industry (better, and shorter than I could). They both touch on the FD.

WATCH THESE.

Orwell Rolls in his Grave
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4467655342219448521

Outfoxed
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428

Peace

Zyphlin · 09-13-08, 10:49 AM

So essentially you're going to ignore every comment in here, ignore that the fairness doctrine doesn't apply to TV, and then throw up two little propoganda youtube vids about how big evil mean and lieing faux news is.

Well, this thread appears to have been a waste of time

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09-06-08, 02:03 PM	#11
rathi Count Smackula Join Date: Oct 2006 Last Seen: Today 12:23 PM Location: California Posts: 3,537 Thanks: 65 Thanked 1,514 Times in 842 Posts Lean: Independent Gender:	Re: Fairness Doctrine Fairness doctrine is not compatible with free speech. If the American public is stupid enough to continue to tune into crappy media, than they will get the governments they deserve. They guys who do political talk radio may be full of crap and indirectly responsible for some of our current political problems, but thats no reason to go trampling on the constitution. In America, you have a right to be a hypocritical attack dog weasel, and the government can't take it away from you.
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09-07-08, 12:53 AM	#12
Kandahar Enemy Combatant Join Date: Jul 2005 Last Seen: 03-11-10 12:13 AM Location: Washington, DC Posts: 14,762 Thanks: 1,384 Thanked 3,873 Times in 2,212 Posts Lean: Liberal Gender:	Re: Fairness Doctrine Also, there is the question of what constitutes an "opposing view." Let's say that I have my radio show, and I'm interviewing a congressman who wants to cut the top income tax rate to 32%. Who do I get to argue the opposing view? Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders? Is is absolutely impossible to be fully in compliance with the Fairness Doctrine unless you aren't talking about politics at all. It is an unconscionable violation of freedom of speech that seems like it was written by Hugo Chavez.
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09-08-08, 09:38 AM	#14
Ikari Sage Join Date: Dec 2006 Last Seen: Yesterday 12:47 PM Location: Colorado Posts: 9,307 Thanks: 720 Thanked 4,425 Times in 2,544 Posts Lean: Libertarian Gender:	Re: Fairness Doctrine Freedom of speech Freedom of press
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09-12-08, 01:19 PM	#18
Pull My Finger Educator Join Date: Mar 2007 Last Seen: 05-28-09 02:58 PM Location: BC Canada Posts: 703 Thanks: 120 Thanked 103 Times in 75 Posts	Re: Fairness Doctrine It’s hard not to challenge the posts here without getting into the other major problems with the media industry. I realize it’ll take 2 ½ hours, but these two docs do a pretty good job of explaining what is wrong with the industry (better, and shorter than I could). They both touch on the FD. WATCH THESE. Orwell Rolls in his Grave http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4467655342219448521 Outfoxed http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428 Peace
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09-13-08, 10:49 AM	#19
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