More than 40 million people see Palin speech

TBone · 09-05-08, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

Joe Biden is a lot of things, but "familiar to the American public" is not one of them.

More familiar than Palin.

TBone · 09-05-08, 10:02 AM

[QUOTE=Reverend_Hellh0und;1057720486]neocons are large government social liberals. Palin is no neocon. sorry.

nice try.

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Not Social Liberals. Nice try.

taken from Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neoconservatism was a political philosophy that emerged in the United States from the rejection of the social liberalism, moral relativism, and New Left counterculture of the 1960s. It influenced the presidential administrations of George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, representing a realignment in American politics, and the transition of some liberals to the right of the political spectrum; hence the term, which refers to being 'new' conservatives

Reverend_Hellh0und · 09-05-08, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ikari

Well I hope we're all ready for perpetual war than.

OOH hyperbole and rhetoric! fun!

you do know we are turning provinces over and the war is drawing to a close right?

Reverend_Hellh0und · 09-05-08, 10:04 AM

[QUOTE=TBone;1057720594][QUOTE=Reverend_Hellh0und;1057720486]neocons are large government social liberals. Palin is no neocon. sorry.

nice try.

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Not Social Liberals. Nice try.

taken from Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neoconservatism was a political philosophy that emerged in the United States from the rejection of the social liberalism, moral relativism, and New Left counterculture of the 1960s. It influenced the presidential administrations of George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, representing a realignment in American politics, and the transition of some liberals to the right of the political spectrum; hence the term, which refers to being 'new' conservatives

How is Palin a neocon, heck mccain for that matter. be specific please.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 09-05-08, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ikari

That's pretty stupid. Palin isn't going to be President, McCain will be. The VP doesn't do hardly anything, all the decisions are going to be McCain's. If you had disagreed with HIS political platform and ideology, then voting for him because of his VP is not so helpful. Also, there's no logic in that decision either. If one was against McCain and his policies, then VP choice makes no difference...less one was in tow with McCain to start.

There is more logic to my decision than whoever you are voting for.

Ikari · 09-05-08, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

OOH hyperbole and rhetoric! fun!

you do know we are turning provinces over and the war is drawing to a close right?

You know that McCain is probably not going to stop there, right? He has too high a penchant for going to war, and I don't trust him. I don't expect we'll be out of the ME for some time, longer if he is elected. We'll see how close to "drawing to a close" we really are when it's actually over and our troops are out of the region.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 09-05-08, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ikari

You know that McCain is probably not going to stop there, right? He has too high a penchant for going to war, and I don't trust him. I don't expect we'll be out of the ME for some time, longer if he is elected. We'll see how close to "drawing to a close" we really are when it's actually over and our troops are out of the region.

He has a penchant to going to war? please explain.

Middleground · 09-05-08, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GottaHurt

During the 110th Session of Congress, McCain ranked 65th among his colleagues having voted along party line 88% of the time, a far cry from the 12th place rank of Obama. Yet, McCain's voting record during the current session of Congress is likely to hold closer to party lines due to the nearly 50 bills that contained an Troop Withdrawal Timeline. During the 109th session of congress, McCain ranked 94th out of 100 Senators, having voted along party lines 79.4% of the time. This ranking and percentage are nearly identical to his 93rd place rank during both the 107th and 108th Congressional Sessions.

During the 110th Congressional session running from Jan 2007 to now, Senator Obama ranked 12th among 100 Senators, having voted along party lines 96% of the time; an amazingly high percentage for someone who claims to be able to reach across the isle. The Obama campaign and pundits will argue that Obama's voting record during this session was driven by a need to shore up support among his base supporters. Yet, if that were true then we would expect his record during the 109th session of Congress to reflect a greater level of moderation. According to the Vote Database Project, During the 109th session Obama was ranked 5th in the Senate having voted along party lines 94.8% of the time. Ironically, during both sessions of congress, Obama voted along party lines more often the Senator Kennedy, Senator Reid, and Senator Kerry. For a candidate who talks about unity and his ability to work with the side, he certainly has not demonstrated it. After all, how can a candidate claim moderation when the current Democratic Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid, has crossed party lines during the past two sessions of congress more often than Obama?

Commentary found here:

Politically Drunk On Power!: McCain Voted With Bush 90%, uh-95% Of The Time? Umm, Not Really!

Voting records here:

Congress votes database | washingtonpost.com

Some examples of who said what -- and what they left out:

[...]

SEN. ROBERT CASEY JR. of PENNSYLVANIA: "John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush 90 percent of the time. That's not a maverick. That's a sidekick."

RENDELL: "And guess who voted with President Bush 90 percent of the time? Sen. John McCain."

THE FACTS: McCain voted with President Bush 90 percent of the time from January 20, 2001, to when Congress left Washington on its annual August recess, according to a study by Congressional Quarterly. But McCain wasn't always a staunch Bush backer. In 2005, his support for Bush's position on legislation reached a low of 77 percent; last year, when he launched his latest bid for the GOP presidential nomination, he voted with Bush 95 percent of the time.

According to Congressional Quarterly, McCain's presidential support scores (the percentage of roll call votes on which he sided with Bush's position) for each completed individual year of Bush's presidency are:

Year
McCain Presidential Support Score

2001
91

2002
90

2003
91

2004
92

2005
77

2006
89

2007
95

Media Matters - AP "FactCheck" distorted Dems' claim that McCain voted with Bush "90 percent of the time"

Ikari · 09-05-08, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

There is more logic to my decision than whoever you are voting for.

Thus we know the partisan you really are. You don't even know who I'm voting for or for what reasons. So how can you say it has more or less logic than yours?

In the past you claimed not to like McCain, you claimed to not like his policies, hell you even claimed to be a libertarian. Yet you are now going to vote for him, you're going to endorse all that you previously said you didn't support. That's your choice, but you've sold out if you were telling the truth about your political platform earlier. If what you claimed was true, you have scrapped it because it is not a vote for Palin, Palin's job is nothing more than to sit around and wait to see if McCain dies, it is a vote for McCain since he'd be the one that is President. If what you have said in the past is true, than the decision is completely illogical because you are going to endorse that which you spoke out against.

So considering your reasoning for supporting McCain has 0 logic, I'm going to say that at worst my logic for voting my candidate is going to be equal to yours.

Ikari · 09-05-08, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

He has a penchant to going to war? please explain.

He's quick to it. We know he has a rather short temper to start with. And if you look at anything he says about Iran, he's willing to run in through there at a drop of a hat. After Iran, I don't trust him to stay out of other countries. Hell even with Russia acting up as of late, I don't want someone who is so quick to war to be at the helm. War is not always avoidable, but I don't think it's proper first response.

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