Reverend_Hellh0und

its funny you use the daily kooks as "evidence" for this classless thread

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Chanda

Her strange behavior is the evidence.

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Chanda

If amniotic fluid is leaking, it means the amniotic sac has ruptured.

According to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists,

"It is time to go to the hospital if:

Your amniotic sac ruptures (your "water breaks"), even if you are not having any contractions. Write down the time it happens."

ACOG Education Pamphlet AB005 -- You and Your Baby: Prenatal Care, Labor and Delivery, and Postpartum Care

But especially if it happens before 37 weeks, that is called PPROM (premature rupture of membranes) and it is serious.

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roguenuke

It could just mean that you have a LEAK. I know what your water ACTUALLY breaking feels like. It happened to me as I got out of bed to go pee at about 4:20 am. There is no way that you can hide it when it gushes out like that. And yes, you should go to the hospital immediately if you are gushing water because that is the baby's protection sac. However, if it's just a leak, depending on where it is, it has been known to heal itself if it's at the top, but it can appear to be just a very small amount coming out. So the woman would probably still have plenty of time to get to the hospital. Some women don't know that's what it is with just a small leak, which is what she says it was.

baby.com | your body | What Happens When Your Water Breaks

Notice the part that says
"Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between a slow leak of amniotic fluid and the normal increased vaginal discharge during pregnancy. Amniotic fluid may also be mistaken for urine leakage during pregnancy, which can happen due to pressure on the bladder and the relaxing effect hormones have on muscles."

http://www.birth.com.au/Info.asp?class=3&page=10

Has My Water Broken? Signs of Spontaneous Rupture of Membranes and What You Should Do

Note from this one
"What to Do When Your Water Breaks

If your water breaks spontaneously with a leak or a gush of flush, you should pay attention to the following items that spell the word TACO:

T - Time - When did it break? After 24 hours, the risk of infection increases so your provider will like to see your labor well on the way typically within 24 hours.

A - Amount - Was there a trickle or gush?

C - Color - Was it clear or green/brown? This is a sign of meconium (which is the baby's stool) and might mean the baby needs to be suctioned to clear out the meconium by medical staff at the time of birth.

O - Odor - Amniotic fluid has a musky odor; however a foul odor could indicate an infection is present.

You should call your care provider to alert her of the above information. It will be helpful to know your Group B Strep status as well when you call your provider since that information will play a role in how quickly you will need to get to your place of birth and whether or not you need antibiotics.

If you are given the option to remain home for awhile after your water breaks, be careful to not introduce anything vaginally so as to reduce your chance of infection. This would include having intercourse or using tampons. Check with your provider to see if it would still be okay to use a tub after your water has broken."

So do you happen to know what Palin's Group B Strep status was? I personally don't.

Here's a link to what that is too though.
Pregnancy & Childbirth @ Suite101.com: Articles on fetal development, healthy nutrition, comfort measures for labor, father's role, chosing a doula, developing a birth plan and breastfeeding._

Here are a few more links just in case you don't like any of the ones I've already provided:
Prelabor Rupture of Membranes - PROM - from Ronnie Falcão's Midwife Archives
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/lab...nsoflabor.html
Premature rupture of membranes
Premature Rupture of Membranes Information on Healthline

There are plenty more of these links if you want to check, but one thing almost all of them say is contact your physician if you think you have a leak in your amniotic sac, then you and your physician should decide what you should do. You should be seen within 24 hours because of the risk of infection. In most cases, labor will probably be induced depending on how far along the pregnancy and the baby's development are. Not one says that you should absolutely go to the hospital, especially not for a possible slow leak (it is quite possible that she didn't actually know that she had a leak at all until she saw her doctor and he tested it).

Chanda

Do any of your links address pPROM (pre-term) Premature Rupture of Membranes? pPROM is more serious than PROM. You are trying to address Palin's experience in terms of your own experience, and they are not the same. Do your links address the pre-term delivery of a Down Syndrome baby? How about the fact that this was Palins fifth child?

ADN talked with Dr. Laurie Gregg, "a California obstetrician who is active in the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said when a pregnant woman's water breaks, she should go right to the hospital because of the risk of infection. That's true even if the amniotic fluid simply leaks out.
"Is there a difference between water breaking and amniotic fluid leaking?"

To us, leaking and broken, we are talking the same thing. We are talking doctor-speak," Gregg said."
Did Sarah Palin Want Her Baby To Die? - Bristol Palin - Zimbio



What are the complications say from getting on an airplane and riding for 8+ hours and driving another 45 minutes to a remote hospital when you know your membranes have ruptured or are leaking?

Infection of the uterus and the baby from a prolonged time without the protection of amniotic fluid or open to microorganisms outside the environment.

Movement of the umbilical cord into the cervix when the fetus drops, thus reducing the supply of oxygen to the fetus (asphyxiation)-thus bedrest

Labor might be initiated which places the infant at risk of respiratory distress syndrome and death if the lungs have not developed adequately to sustain him outside the uterus (as well as others we don't need to mention here.)
Health Care Examiner: Sara Palin's baby: did her doctor advise her or was this her decision?

You are attempting to defend the indefensible.

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roguenuke

No I am defending what has been blown out of proportion.

You have one doctor saying that she should have gone straight to the hospital, when she may not have even known for sure that it was amniotic fluid that was leaking. Her doctor may have figured that if she weren't feeling any contractions and, assuming she could judge the relative location of her baby since she had 4 children before, that she and her doctor may have felt comfortable that she wouldn't deliver the baby while she was trying to get back to Alaska. You have one doctor saying that if she suspected a leak that she should have went immediately to a hospital while all the sites I've shown you say to contact your doctor if you suspect a leak of amniotic fluid.

I was comparing mine because your previous post specifically mentioned a rupture of the amniotic sac, which is what I had, as opposed to a slow leak, which is what she claims. You are trying to say that the risks are the exact same when they aren't. A pregnant woman will still have amniotic fluid in her uterus protecting the baby if there is a slow leak, while with a rupture, far more fluid is lost, and therefore it is a much more risky situation to not go to the hospital immediately. I think a pretty good comparison would be having a drink or two vs getting drunk almost every day while pregnant. While both carry some risk of the baby developing fetal alcohol syndrome, the second is far more likely to cause it than the first. In one of my baby classes, my nurse even suggested that if we were used to having a drink on a special occasion that it could be far better for us to just have the one drink than to be depressed about not being able to celebrate the special occasion as you would normally. The chances of the baby developing FAS with one drink are very, very small.

I have given you numerous sites to back up what I'm saying in a neutral light, yet all your links are also linked to the case. Sure there is a chance that she could have been wrong and had the baby on the plane, but it was not as risky of judgment as it is being put out as. Her personal doctor knew her and about her pregnancy. He/she should know what the risks are in this case.

Here, I'll post one that mentions pPROM again for you,
Premature rupture of membranes

It mentions the risk of pPROM,
"Preterm PROM presents more difficult treatment decisions. The younger the fetus, the more likely it may die or suffer serious permanent damage if delivered prematurely. Yet the risk of infection to the mother and/or the fetus increases as the length of time from PROM to delivery increases. Depending on the age of the fetus and signs of infection, the doctor must decide either to try to prevent labor and delivery until the fetus is more mature, or to induce labor and prepare to treat the complications of prematurity. However, the baby will need to be delivered to avoid serious risks to both it and the mother if infection is present, regardless of the risks of prematurity."

It is not an increased risk of most of the original risks. It deals with the risks to the baby of infection and the other risks with PROM to those risks from being born premature. The only risk that may be increased is that of infection due to being without amniotic fluid for long periods of time. This is more of a risk in talking about days or weeks rather than hours.

americanwoman

The father of the baby has been said to be an illegal immigrant Mexican Muslim liberal democrat atheist who has six fingers. They are trying to shift the focus on the identity of the mother so the father's identity is never known. Let me go read more of the Weekly World News so I can get another update on this breaking story.

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Objective Voice

This accusation has already been put to rest. Review the linked sight for details (Obama birth certificate) or search "Obama Birth Certificate" and you'll find plenty of websites that provide proof that he was born in the U.S. after Hawaii became a U.S. state.

americanwoman

They have another breaking story to report on Palin!!! It explains everything:



Sarah Palien?*|*Weekly World News

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Zyphlin

Sorry It refers to an earlier post of mine.

Less "Jose" alien, more "ET" alien.

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Political buy outs, "my way or the highway" attitude, ignoring of rules and traditions because it suits your purpose...

Yep, gotta love the "Change from politics as usual" in this "post-partisan" era.