Zyphlin

Right, that talks about a JOKE McCain made.

You're making it out as if he legitimately questioned her paternity, by referencing a JOKE.

You're trying to compare a JOKE, low brow and improper as it was, to people legitimately trying to claim her son is not her own.

You're not only being incredibly dishonest in your presentation, but you're being ludicrous in your comparison.

Furthermore, you apparently aren't reading the thread you're posting in, as the discussion is about claims other than that JOKE that McCain may've made, which your article doesn't include nor did the Dino's (which she admitted it didn't).

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Gladiator

I find your manner or posting offensive and impolite.

What issue do you want to debate?

McCain is a slime, joke or serious, and his running mate had no ground to complain about questions of her family and teenage daughters pregnancies.

Trig has a right to consideration, as a diabled child, who, if adopted, his adoptive parents have chosen to try to keep it secret.

What is your view on secrecy in adoption? I have posted articles on both sides of the controversy.

You are not posting both sides of a controversey, or attempting to understand the Truth, you are just attacking me.

I request that you resign from being a moderator on this forum if you want to make personal attacks on members. Political Figures, including politicians, are fair game for personal attacks.




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Zyphlin

Once you show me where I've personally attacked you, and not your ridiculous points, and I may consider it. Beyond that, I've got no desire to talk with you about your tin foil hat, baseless, disgusting conspiracy theories much as I didn't bother with the foolish bigots trying to say Obama was a secret muslim trying to get into office to make the U.S. go under islamic law. I was addressing your fraudulent, dishonest attempt to paint McCain as someone who LEGITIMATELY questioned the paternity of Chelsea and your absurd and asanine comparison of his low brow and poor taste joke to the drivel you're shoveling.

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Chanda

Would this be nuts?

What is the explanation for a woman, pregnant at 44 (which is considered advanced maternal age/high risk pregnancy), with a Down syndrome baby (also considered a high risk pregnancy and delivery), who goes into labor a month prematurely (even more high-risk), has her water break (which introduces a risk of infection and imminent labor, and usually warrants immediate hospitalization), but did NOT go to the hospital, but instead, chooses to get on an airplane 12 hours later for an 8-hour trip from Texas to Alaska, arrives in Alaska, then bypasses major medical centers to drive to a small clinic (which does not have a neo-natal intensive care unit/NICU, or perinatologists or neonatologists) to have a doctor (not an ob-gyn) deliver a premature child, with Down syndrome?

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roguenuke

Just to put this in a more sensible light, she said it was a leak of amniotic fluid and even if you haven't reached 37 weeks yet, it is only suggested that the mother contact her doctor, which she did, and concur with him/her on right course of action. I know this because I was in one of those birthing classes this past Dec. It was almost 20 hours from the time my water broke til my son was born and I had to have Petocin to induce labor. If she wasn't feeling any contractions or any regular contractions then maybe her doctor felt the risk would be minimal. But just in case you don't want to believe me, here are a few sites to confirm it.

Signs of labor: Know what to expect - MayoClinic.com
Has My Water Broken? Signs of Spontaneous Rupture of Membranes and What You Should Do
Patients, Families and Visitors :: Health Information :: Preterm Premature Rupture of Membranes -- PPROM

As for the other parts, aren't you still saying though that those same doctors delivered the baby anyway? Because even if the child is Bristol's, he would still have been born in that clinic. So really that doesn't exactly add a lot to your case. Most women already have their caregiver and location chosen for birth very early on and won't deviate from these choices without very extenuating circumstances. Palin had had 4 kids already, so she probably feels that she can tell when she actually might be ready to actually go into active labor for a child she is carrying. And in this case, she appears to have been right.

Now I know I was told that if my baby did test positive for Down's Syndrome, I would be temporarily transferred to San Diego so that he could be born there. Hawaii did not have any infant heart doctors (at least not according to the Army doctor) and Tripler was taking no chances of not having proper care available. They have already been in enough trouble over harming infants due to neglect/carelessness. But I would have only went there as a precaution anyway. If I would have been on the Mainland, I could have chosen to have the baby in any hospital the military approved of as long as the specialist(s) I might need were within a reasonable distance.

And btw, going into labor early only means that she went before her due date. My son was due Jan 19 but was born Dec 31. He wasn't even considered premature (although he was within a day). I'm not sure when exactly she was due, but from what I've read, she was at 8 months, which is pretty close to term and her son weighed the exact same as my son, so he couldn't have been too much earlier.

Gladiator

I suggested that your response to my posts are a personal attacks against me.

Each paragaph has the word "You" in it and addresses me personally.

The terms, "Low Brow and improper" "you're being ludicrous " "being incredibly dishonest " are words that refer to my personal qualities, and do not address the issues of words or jokes relating to mud slinging.

My argument is that McCain has previously attacked an underage daughter of a political figure, calling her "Ugly", and questioning whether the husband of her mother is actually her biological father

To debate my point, you might say that you feel that all jokes by McCain should be exempt form scrutiny, or the joke about Chelsae should not be used as a measuring stick for mud slinging against Bristol. Why?

Instead, you used a personal attack on me.


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American

Come on, you know that Obama is a secret muslim trying to get into office to make us all pray to Allah 5 times a day.

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Zyphlin

Or to debate your point I might say what I already said.

That John mcCain didn't "question wehther the husband of her mother is actually her biological father", as such implies that he legitimately questioned it. He made a joke, sarcasm, jest, satircal, not serious.

You are trying to compare this to a serious, meaningful, honestly felt (but completely insane) claim by you and those on the extreme left that Palin's son is not her own.

Show me where I said John McCain shouldn't be scrutizined for his jokes. Indeed, I spoke poorly of him, and his jokes, about this. I've stated in other threads I think it was callous of him and something he should not be doing. HOWEVER, you are trying to paint his JOKE as something much greater than it is and dishonestly trying to compare that to what you're doing.

As far as the personal attacks, you seem to not be able to grasp a very simple context. I am not insulting you by calling McCain's joke "Low brow". I did not call YOU personally ludicrous, I stated that you were acting ludicrous in your comparison between the two which is yoru agument, not yourself. I did not call you a dishonest person, I stated your attempt here at mischaracterizing McCain's words was dishonest.

In a debate, one must critique the inaccuracies, poor techniques, biases, and issues of the other sides statements and arguments. These are not "personal attacks". No where did I attack you specifically, I spoke negatively of your tacitcs, comments, and methods used in the debate. There is a distinct difference there.

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Reverend_Hellh0und

This thread has already been done and it was not Rush it was the assholes at daily kooks.

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Gladiator

I suspect that thinking American people have figured out the truth, that 4 Month old Trig, with Down syndrome, was adopted by Sarah Palin. I did not find any opinion polls on the percentage of US Americans who believe Trig was Adopted by Sarah Palin. Certainly, as I have suggested earlier in the thread, that there is school of thought that secrecy in Adoption can help the adopted youngster escape teasing and ridicule, in his youth.

An important related public question is whether Sarah Palin ia a habitual liar, or a pathological liar. There are many fanciful distortions of truth about Trig and about Trooper gate. The fanciful reconstruction of reality is an earmark of a pathological liar.

WikiAnswers - How can you tell if someone is a pathological liar

Somtimes rescuing teenagers from repsonibility for an improper action, can prevent the teenagers from growing, and learning to be more careful. A parent can criple a youngstger with kindness, in rescuing the teenager from reasonable consequences; Such as a poor reputation when a teenage couple expereinces a pregnancy.

Sarah Palin has the support of Karl Rove, how familiar is Rove with evalauting people as a patholical liar?

Daily Kos: Sarah Palin, Pathological Liar?--This Time Taxes



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