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Old 09-03-08, 04:08 AM   #21
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Re: Republican party platform is passed

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I know it sucks, but that is what matters--the party.
I know the candidate's party matters in that people look at it when voting because they figure the party they most associate themselves with candidate's views are probably going to be closest to their own. I do understand that part. But I can't agree that whichever party's candidate is elected, that is the exact platform that we are getting. The President is most likely to sign/veto bills according to his own beliefs with possible input from his cabinet and mostly in line with his party politics, but not strictly according to his party's platform. If every President signed/vetoed bills according to his political party's platform, this would definitely be a different country. Look Clinton gave us DADT, even though his party probably wanted no discrimination at all (unlike most Republicans, I believe gays should be allowed in the military openly and full marriage rights). I liked Clinton. I hoped Gore would get elected in 2000 but wanted Bush reelected in '04 (I only voted in '04 but not for Kerry or Bush, and was out to sea for both elections). The only reason a President would vote closer to his party's platform even when it went away from his own would be if he felt that it would truly cost him votes for a second term. I could see this possibly happening for an issue like giving illegal immigrants amnesty but not for abortions for women when it threatens their life. Even many hardcore prolifers accept that as an acceptable reason. I think any President would be stupid to try to get something like that through Congress, not that it would get very far anyway. And the amount of negative backlash toward such a President would be very bad for any reelection attempts. He would look like an uncaring heartless jerk to even a lot of pro-life people.
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Old 09-03-08, 06:41 AM   #22
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Re: Republican party platform is passed

Danarhea, Obama will be killing babies as they leave the womb.
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Re: Republican party platform is passed

I think the Pubs are just throwing this into their platform to please the Evangelicals, it has no chance of ever changing IMHO. I don't agree with McCain on this issue, but it will be how he stands on ALL the issues that will determine how I vote.
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Old 09-03-08, 11:26 AM   #24
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Re: Republican party platform is passed

IMO, since McCain is a RINO Republican who nearly left the party, selecting a far rightist is a suitable counter balance. The fact that Palin is a woman is just gravy. Mc.Cain+Palin≠total ban of abortion. McCain+Palin=balanced republican judicial nominees.

I’m Anti-Abortion (to be distinguished from Pro-Life), and I’m here to tell you that first-term elective abortion is never going away. It sucks, but that’s the way it is.
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Old 09-03-08, 11:34 AM   #25
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Given the choice between a candidate who is absolutely behind his party's policy of allowing abortions for anyone, for pretty much any reason, or a candidate who has stated that his position is abortion only for certain cases, which may be in opposition to his party's platform, (and I agree with this position), I'll stick with the guy I agree with. I'm a person that doesn't vote based on what a "party's platform" is. I vote on who I'd like to see as president out of the most likely to become that way. It's only my guess, but I think there are a lot of people on both sides who vote like this. This probably goes for many Independents as well.

If you are voting for Obama, do you agree with everything about the Democrat's platform? Does he?


ps: sorry about the typo earlier. kinda tired here.

Great commentary; top the above off with Obama's promises to:

(1) Create 5,000,000 high paying jobs
(2) Make the US energy independent
(3) Reduce taxes for everyone below the $250K threshold (even though he is planning to allow the Bush tax cuts to lapse which will mean an automatic increase to EVERYONE)
(4) Healthcare for every person in the US.

While we hear all the skepticism, criticism and character attacks by the media on Pahlin, a mother that epitomizes the Women's movement, not a word of skepticism about Obama's promises. Not one peep questioning how in the hell he plans and bringing this about.

When you ask Democrats, the response is that it is just campaign speak. Say what? So promises made in Obama's speeches are not intended to be taken seriously? Then why take his candidacy serious at all?
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And guess what it includes? No abortion - Period. Not to spare the life of the mother, and not for rape or incest.

I will be the first to tell you that this is not McCain's position, but McCain IS running on the Republican platform. If the GOP gets their way, the states won't get to decide this either.

It is not a bad thing that Roe v. Wade gets overturned, but those that follow the GOP platform will want the Federal government to take the decision out of the hands of the states, and to make ALL abortion a crime. If a woman's life is in the balance, she dies. If a woman is raped, she is forced to carry the rapist's fetus to term.

But don't take my word for it. Just look at the GOP platform.

Which is why a woman who is pro-choice voting for McCain because he put a woman on the ticket is the same as a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

McCain might have moderate views when it comes to abortion, but tonight, he was outflanked by the crazies.

Article is here.
Why do people like you think that the ONLY answer is abortion? Why is the choice that we need to make equates to murdering an innocent life?

Abortion on demand is a Democrat platform and one that Obama claims is above his pay grade?

Why do we argue this issue when the issue is painfully clear; rather than murdering an innocent life, why is it we can't make the choice for life, there are millions in this country that would love to have a child but cannot. These unwanted children, which are a travesty in itself, would be adopted into these families and have a chance to develop into highly productive citizens.

I find the argument that this nation has to provide women with the singular choice even over the men who helped to create the child, fascinatingly ignorant. Why would we continue to empower irresponsible behavior?

It honestly makes no sense to me and I haven't been to a church since Jr. High school. But I do see the moral outrage of abortion on demand.

The bottom line on this debate is how a Liberal Supreme Court created a right and law where none existed before. And now, thanks to these activists judges who divined a right to abortion in the Constitution, which is absurd considering the founders positions, have created the right to kill on demand an unborn child.
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Old 09-03-08, 12:03 PM   #27
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Re: Republican party platform is passed

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And guess what it includes? No abortion - Period. Not to spare the life of the mother, and not for rape or incest.
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Maintaining The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life
Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed....

We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.

We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it.

We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity and dignity of innocent human life

We all have a moral obligation to assist, not to penalize, women struggling with the challenges of an unplanned pregnancy.

At its core, abortion is a fundamental assault on the sanctity of innocent human life. Women deserve better than abortion. Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life....
http://www.gopplatform2008.com/2008Platform.pdf

Not sure how you translate all that to "No abortion - Period"
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Re: Republican party platform is passed

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Not sure how you translate all that to "No abortion - Period"
Actually I've always though it was "No period = Abortion"
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