Gladiator

Are you speaking as a Moderator or as a member expressing an opinion?

I would encourage people to express their opinions about whether Sarah Palin is already a grandmother, or not. Her released statement does not adress the issue except to ask for privacy. If Sarah Palin asks for privacy, instead of answering the questions raised, then that further makes me supsect the Sarah Palin is being sneaky.

I have not expressed my opinion about the summary of all the circumstances that indicate that Sarah Palin is already a grandmother. But Sarah Palin is inviting specultation by appearing to be trying to be secretive and evasive.

People attack me when I give information that could indicate Sarah Palin is already a Grendmother. But I am personally withholding my judgement, until I receive more information. If my pointing out circumstances that my tend to indicate that Sarah Palin is already a Grandmother, makes anyone upset, then I suggest they do the research on the Birth Certificates and Alaska Adooption law. I already gave the Links.

The speculation was in all the morning papers I read. Lates from CNN is incnclusive.

Palin daughter's pregnancy stirs strong emotions from iReporters - CNN.com


I have already stated that I think the US laws fail to respect privacy of individuals and families. I started a thread how the US is baiting Russia to scare the electorate into giving up more privacy. I do not see anyone asking for more reasonable laws on individual or family privacy, except as a special exception for Sarah Palin.

If someone is interested, they can bring up more facts, to counteract the wealth of circumstancial evidence that indicates that Sarah Palin is already a grandmother.

How about repeal the Patriot Act? How about repeal the sodomy laws? How about repeal the exemption from lawsuits for your telphone company? How about raise the threshold for your bank to report tranactions over $10,000.00 to the FBI? Wouldn't a $50,000.00 limit be more realistic? How about exceptions to Perjury laws, if family honor is involved?

I think it is really wild for the Reuclicans to suddenly start being the party advocating privacy.



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Zyphlin

If he's not speaking in the mod box

Moderator's Warning:

which looks like this

he's speaking as any other member.

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Political buy outs, "my way or the highway" attitude, ignoring of rules and traditions because it suits your purpose...

Yep, gotta love the "Change from politics as usual" in this "post-partisan" era.

Mach

Rule # 543 How being evasive can win you political points

If one has nothing *really* to hide in a particular media story, if practical one should be evasive and declare they have either the right to privacy, executive authority, legal obligations (under investigation) or some other blanket protection such that they cannot even be questioned on the matter. Appear as evasive as possible.

What this does is give your opponents a bone to start gnawing on. They inflate the issue to a great degree because the smell blood in the water, and they may make some serious mistakes in the process. Then, as you already know you never really had anything to hide in the first place, when it all comes to light, it did these things:

1. Made the opposition look like an attack dog
2. Made the oppositions argument end up being incorrect or perhaps misguided.
3. Occupied the opposition on an issue you knew you were not guilty of (a diversion?)
4. Gave you a lot of air-time, which in the end, vindicated you. You may even get some victim points, or rebel points for winning.
5. Sends a warning to your opposition that they cannot reliably know when you're being evasive for good reasons, or just to toy with them. This will throw off their game. They may think twice about attacking if they got burned in a previous encounter.

Applicable here? I don't know, fits the MO though.

-Mach

Gladiator

Karl Rove is a master at political scandal, and I have read quotes in news media from Karl Rove, that indicate Rove is deeply involved with Sarah Palin. Rove is calling the shots, Paulin is his puppet, as I see it, so far.

So planting the story of Sarah Palin being a Grandmother already, may have been a bait, to get Democrats looking into the story. Then they release the story that Bristol is NOW pregnant, and that Sara Palin is happy about becoming a grandmother.

The whole thing is orchestrated from an anti-choice point of view, which further antagonizes the Democrats, but solidifies support of the anti-choice and anti-contracptive radicals attending the republican convention. The Anti-Choice and Anti-Contraceptive delgates are enraged that Democrates are attacking the integrity of Palin. Palin's only crimes being targeted this weekend are her being too anti-abortion, so the delgtates get pumped up for Palin.

They advise Palin to keep a low profile while all these emotions play out.
When Palin gives her acceptance speech, all those anti-choice and anti-controaceptive and Abstinence-only-Education radicals are going to be wildly cheering and crying for Palin.

The Republican agenda under Rove, teh past 8 years, has been to be secretive, sneaky, and when you get caught, try to say as little as possible. So another 4 years under Rove looks likely.

Stumper : Karl Rove Weighs in on the Palin Pregnancy

FOXNews.com - Karl Rove Analyzes Sarah Palin Pick and Obama's Acceptance Speech - Bill O’Reilly | The O’Reilly Factor

Rove: Palin A "Campaign Decision" Not "Governing Decision" (VIDEO)



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MC.no.spin

I think one of the more interesting effects of the media attacks is that moderates are tending to defend her, which is the vote both camps are after.

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"The guy’s a phony. He has no experience, he has no record; he’s not nearly ready to be commander in chief."
Bill Clinton on Obama (from the book Game Change)

Gladiator

Probably an effective sympathy grabber, particulary for women. Polls have not shown that yet, according to CNN yesterday.

But Wait!

Maybe 0.8 less for Obama and 0.8 more for McCain 8/31 - 9/02?

RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - General Election: McCain vs. Obama


Rove is a Genius, an Evil Genius, but a Genius.


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Zyphlin

You are something amazing, you know that.

So now you go from trying to spread the utter filthy lie that her baby wasn't her own, and now switch to "Its all an evil elaborate Karl Rove trick! KARL ROVE IS THE PUPPET MASTER!"

And your proof...

News about Karl talking about her on the news.

Bravo, bravo.

Your anti-life, pro-child sex, amazing person (See! I can use idiotic hyper partisan terms too!)

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Political buy outs, "my way or the highway" attitude, ignoring of rules and traditions because it suits your purpose...

Yep, gotta love the "Change from politics as usual" in this "post-partisan" era.

Gladiator

I am still Pro-Death, (Anti-Pro-Life)

I am just looing forhte truth.

Do you have information to convince me that Sarah Palin is not a Grndmother already?

Details Emerge About Bristol Palin's Boyfriend - News Story | Music, Celebrity, Artist News | MTV News

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Gladiator

Levi Johnston's, 18, My-Space info said he did not want children.

The rumor that Trig is actually Bristol's biological son remain unanswered. Only that Privacy is requested by Sarah Palin.

Bristol Palin Pregnancy: Is Sarah Palin's Baby Really Her Daughter's? (Photos) - FameCrawler

If Sarah Palin does not want to explain the discrepancies, then people are going to continue to wonder, partiulcarly people who are unwilling to give the rich the benefit of the doubt.

Stupid Celebrities Gossip » Bristol Palin Pregnancy: Is VP Sarah Palin’s 5th Child Really Her Daughters? (Photos)

Why not extend the same privacy to the poor and middle class? Why not make it a Republican Plank for more privacy?

Here is an Alaska Birth Records search service:

Welcome to Gov-Resources.com



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independent_thinker2002

I'm not disputing the article. But I am still bewildered that someone just linked to MTV.

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