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Old 09-04-08, 06:45 AM   #671
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Exactly right. The extra tax in Florida on tourism, since it is used to promote more tourism, helps bring more money-spending people to the state than might normally come here. This brings more income to the state to take care of the needs you mention. That's the whole point. Alaska should use that money to attract more business, create more opportunity for increased commerce. But they have a giveaway, and that money disappears.


An added benefit is the people that come to Florida also contribute to the overall prosperity of the citizens here. We can make money off them, avoid an income tax (or have so far, anyway), and have outsiders pay for some of the state's basic needs.
"tryreading" what I actually wrote.
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What, exactly, is your problem with the government in Alaska spreading the benefits of the resources among the people while still maintaining a balanced budget, that almost always runs in a surplus and still entices industry and business to it's borders?

Texas could only wish to run the state as well as Alaska does.
There is nothing wrong with what Alaska is doing, adding a higher tax on the production of a resource, and distributing the proceeds to all citizens for the general welfare of the state.

I find it a bit ironic however for conservatives (to referring specifically to Jallman) to rant about the Dems being "socialist" and "communists" for proposing a higher tax and then distributing the proceeds to citizens for their general welfare, yet support the same thing that Alaska is doing.
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"tryreading" what I actually wrote.
You didn't get it. My point is the tourist tax does help pay for the infrastructure, and then some.
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There is nothing wrong with what Alaska is doing, adding a higher tax on the production of a resource, and distributing the proceeds to all citizens for the general welfare of the state.

I find it a bit ironic however for conservatives (to referring specifically to Jallman) to rant about the Dems being "socialist" and "communists" for proposing a higher tax and then distributing the proceeds to citizens for their general welfare, yet support the same thing that Alaska is doing.
Except that socialism takes from individuals and redistributes. All Alaska does is taxes its own resources before they get sold out. That's not socialism. At least not in the way Democrats would like to implement socialist policies.
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Except that socialism takes from individuals and redistributes. All Alaska does is taxes its own resources before they get sold out. That's not socialism. At least not in the way Democrats would like to implement socialist policies.
does the oil belong to the state?
which therefor means the people?
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Alright, despite the obvious attack points and over exaggerations there....

That's some funny stuff right there.

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Except that socialism takes from individuals and redistributes. All Alaska does is taxes its own resources before they get sold out. That's not socialism. At least not in the way Democrats would like to implement socialist policies.
I'm not sure what definition of socialism you are using. Socialism means government ownership of means of production, which sounds a lot closer to taking a cut from resources produced to me. And distributing proceeds equally to all citizens, heck even Marx would like that idea.

But whatever you want to call it, I'm for what Alaska is doing on a national scale. The government can slap a 25% tax on all resources produced in this country and send everyone a check.
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I'm not sure what definition of socialism you are using. Socialism means government ownership of means of production, which sounds a lot closer to taking a cut from resources produced to me. And distributing proceeds equally to all citizens, heck even Marx would like that idea.
Exactly. The government doesn't the means of production, just the raw materials. That's why I can't really say it's socialism. It's more like the government in Alaska sells the right to produce the resources but it doesn't actually levy tax on raw profit.

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But whatever you want to call it, I'm for what Alaska is doing on a national scale. The government can slap a 25% tax on all resources produced in this country and send everyone a check.
I don't think it would work nationwide. Keep in mind we are only talking about 600k people here that are more like "shareholders" in the state (because the state really is run like a business as opposed to it being a full time nanny).
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Exactly. The government doesn't the means of production, just the raw materials. That's why I can't really say it's socialism. It's more like the government in Alaska sells the right to produce the resources but it doesn't actually levy tax on raw profit.
Niether is anything Obama is proposing.

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I don't think it would work nationwide. Keep in mind we are only talking about 600k people here that are more like "shareholders" in the state (because the state really is run like a business as opposed to it being a full time nanny).
Paying $1200 a year to everyone isn't nanny? Great. Let's do it nationwide.
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