Obama seeks to silence ad tying him to 60s radical

VM1138 · 08-27-08, 09:29 PM

People, people. I don't know the background of this situation. Political ads always twist things and misquote, it's nothing new.

The IDEA behind the ad is legit, though. Obama does appear to be a poor judge of character. He has defended people like Reverend Wright, has questionable relations with these radicals (to whatever extent that might be), and always claims he knew nothing about who these people were. I'm not so concerned about whether or not he was intimately close with Ayers, I'm more concerned with the fact that we keep having all these questions about people he has associated with. And since the people close to a President are influential, I am a little nervous (hopefully in reality there is nothing to worry about) with the people he has surrounded himself with.

That might present a problem for a President who will have to face down wily foreign leaders like Ahmadhinijad.

Oh, and then there is the fact that Obama owes his political career to the Chicago political machine, which is one of the most underhanded, corrupt ones in the country. That should raise some alarm bells, too.

bhkad · 08-27-08, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs

This ad is pretty blatantly false in trying to say that Obama endorses the long-defunct Weatherman's radical beliefs or agenda because Ayres hosted a 'meet the candidate' reception during Obama's first run for the Illinois senate in 1995. Obama ran unopposed, but as a newcomer, many of the political who's who did not know him.

So who was Aryes in 1995 -

a peaceful-for-over25-years Hyde Park local activist involved in community organization and educational reform
a senior professor at University of Illinois at Chicago, College of Education.
a solid member of the political landscape in Obama's district in Illinois

Whatever Ayres believes personally - his role in the political community in Chicago is neighborhood and political activist.

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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''

--- Former domestic terrorist, revolutionary, leftist/Socialist and friend of Barack Obama, Bill Ayers. New York Times 9/11/01

No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen - New York Times

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"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents—that's where it's really at."

--- Bill Ayers
No Regrets - Chicago Magazine - August 2001 - Chicago

YouTube - Obama's terrorist connections - William Ayers

"Ayers was a terrorist. Bernadine Dohrn was a terrorist. Ayers has never offered one word of apology, he glories in it, thinks it's terrific. And that to me is not what I would call acceptable or mainstream behavior."

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In 1980, Ayers and Dohrn turned themselves in. (The first words Ayers's father said to him were, "You need a haircut.") By then they had had two children together, and the bombing conspiracy charge against the couple had been dismissed due to government misconduct.

Dohrn plea-bargained to charges of inciting to mob action and resisting police officers. She was sentenced to three years' probation and a $1,500 fine. Ayers was not charged. Even then he showed a way with words: "Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country," he said.

No Regrets - Chicago Magazine - August 2001 - Chicago

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"I think there will be another mass political movement," he predicts, "because I believe that the kind of injustice that is built into our world will not go quietly into the night."

--- Bill Ayers in 2001
No Regrets - Chicago Magazine - August 2001 - Chicago

At a book signing sometime between 9/11/01 and 11/16/01...

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Listening to Mr. Ayers is fascinating and sickening; he personifies the moral bankruptcy of the far left. He said of the antiwar socialists of the '60s that "there were many factions organizing and agitating and moving in different directions. Some people decided to go join the industrial working class and organize there, some people joined the Democratic Party, other people tried other things, and the question that I still can't answer is, who did the right thing? I don't know."

The moral laxity is breathtaking: Union organization, voting, setting bombs--as long as you opposed the Vietnam War, what's the difference?

"We did many things that were wrong; I have a lot of regrets for many of the things that happened," he said. Does he regret siding with a brutal communist regime against America? "Certainly, the death of the three, my girlfriend and two other close, close friends, was a disaster." In other words, he regrets that his friends accidentally died while building a bomb, not that they were building a bomb in the first place.

Mr. Ayers continues: "Certainly flirting with the idea of terrorism was off the tracks and a mistake. The fact that we never executed that flirtation is important and significant and I think conveniently forgotten, but we never did." In fact, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts did set off a bomb at the Pentagon. In his book, he writes: "It turns out that we blew up a bathroom and, quite by accident, water plunged below and knocked out their computers for a time, disrupting the air war and sending me into deepening shades of delight." In those four little words, "disrupting the air war," there is the dark prospect of American soldiers in jeopardy.

Later in the talk, Mr. Ayers declared: "The fact is that there was an official policy of our government to create terrorism in Vietnam. . . . How you resisted that policy was a burning question, and is still a good question."

So, to recap: The Weathermen weren't terrorists, but the U.S. Marines were. Even if we accept this perverse semantic equation, the position of the Weathermen's apologists is still remarkable.

One audience member said later of Mr. Ayers's "burning question": "The answer is, in this country, we vote [those pursuing a policy we don't like] out of office. . . . I personally spent all of 1972 working all day and all night to elect George McGovern, and I will tell you that your tactics made it harder to vote the Richard Nixons out of office."

Even if you don't lament having been deprived of a McGovern presidency, it's hard to say anything nice about a man who to this day doesn't understand what was wrong with engaging in terrorism. Maybe Mr. Ayers will never learn.

The Wall Street Journal Online - Extra

VM1138 · 08-27-08, 09:55 PM

What bothers me is the people on the Left. I know there are crazies everywhere, but with the attack on Michelle Malkin, Ayers, all these people, you wonder if they're embraced. Sure, they only happen to be at a general party or meet and greet, no personal relations they say. Yet how often do Neo-Nazis appear at Republican rallies? Maybe at most there's an anti-abortion fanatic, but not a bomber.

I could be wrong, though. But it just seems to me that the freaks are a bit more predominant in the Democratic Party, and whether they are friends, associates, or don't know each other, I'm uncomfortable that they seem to have such access.

bhkad · 08-27-08, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by VM1138

People, people. I don't know the background of this situation. Political ads always twist things and misquote, it's nothing new.

The IDEA behind the ad is legit, though. Obama does appear to be a poor judge of character. He has defended people like Reverend Wright, has questionable relations with these radicals (to whatever extent that might be), and always claims he knew nothing about who these people were. I'm not so concerned about whether or not he was intimately close with Ayers, I'm more concerned with the fact that we keep having all these questions about people he has associated with. And since the people close to a President are influential, I am a little nervous (hopefully in reality there is nothing to worry about) with the people he has surrounded himself with.

That might present a problem for a President who will have to face down wily foreign leaders like Ahmadhinijad.

Oh, and then there is the fact that Obama owes his political career to the Chicago political machine, which is one of the most underhanded, corrupt ones in the country. That should raise some alarm bells, too.

bhkad · 08-27-08, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by disneydude

Republicans playing the "fear card" as usual.....nothing more....nothing less.

This is exactly the point that Michele Obama was making in her speech.
This generation will be the generation that finally said, we're done listening to the politics playing fear and ready to accept a new generation of hope and change.

The choice is clear:

Do you want to continue on the same old road of failure and the politics of the past? If so, McCain is your man.

If you believe that America can do better. Obama is the clear and obvious choice.

The only people who aren't concerned when they look at Obama's many question marks in these different kinds of issues is someone who is enchanted and is beyond reason and anything they say should be immediately discounted. Or someone who has similar values and associations or worse. Or someone who cares nothing about America's well-being and the perpetuation of our traditions.

They would chide us about being concerned about Obama.

Why?

As a way of silencing us.

chevydriver1123 · 08-27-08, 10:51 PM

This lawsuit reeks of thought control.

bhkad · 08-27-08, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs

If Ayres is still a terrorist who endorses the violent overthrown of the government then why has he been working within the system for decades?It is implicit in the ads - if that isn't the point of these ads then pray tell what is the point.Exactly - and America isn't falling for it this time. John Kerry and swiftboat taught many Americans to check out the nonsense politicians say about each other rather than assume they are truthful -- and Obama's voter base is more adept at refuting the tactic.

Do you honestly think it isn't going to be public knowledge that McCain attempted to smear Obama using Ayres within a week - and that it isn't any more true than GWB saying McCain's adopted daughter was a half-black love child or John Kerry faked his injuries and isn't a war hero? If you do, sit tight and check on the stories about this next week.

Personally, I hope McCain continues to run these smear ads - even conservative senior citizens and military people are laughing their behinds off about the absurd ideas put forth in the most recent ads. Our local GOP leaders are hanging their heads when asked about these ads - they know the voters can see thru this nonsense and McCain would know it too if he were not so out of touch with everyone except the neocons.

There are close to 50 different people and organizations on this list and you can't use the same excuse on all of them.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/v...ory.asp?id=800

Eventually, you will begin to say, "Gee, a president is not supposed to have THESE many questionable associations in his past, is he?"

Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist.

Your candidate should have better judgment. Instead, now he is trying to hide and cover up and mischaracterize the relationship.

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"... it's hard to say anything nice about a man who to this day doesn't understand what was wrong with engaging in terrorism. Maybe Mr. Ayers will never learn."

The Wall Street Journal Online - Extra

Frolicking Dinosaurs, do you understand that it is wrong to engage in terrorism?

Reverend_Hellh0und · 08-27-08, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TBone

This great!!!!!!!!!! He is not going to sit back and while the GOP trying to spin crap.

How is it crap brother, and how is it the gop?

Happy Days · 08-27-08, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VM1138

And since the people close to a President are influential, I am a little nervous (hopefully in reality there is nothing to worry about) with the people he has surrounded himself with.

Instead of hoping that they are not wrong about this man, perhaps America should be be given honest answers before we vote.

Gibberish · 08-27-08, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VM1138

The IDEA behind the ad is legit, though. Obama does appear to be a poor judge of character. He has defended people like Reverend Wright, has questionable relations with these radicals (to whatever extent that might be), and always claims he knew nothing about who these people were. I'm not so concerned about whether or not he was intimately close with Ayers, I'm more concerned with the fact that we keep having all these questions about people he has associated with. And since the people close to a President are influential, I am a little nervous (hopefully in reality there is nothing to worry about) with the people he has surrounded himself with.

What influence has Ayers had over Obama's campaign and presidential plans?

Look at the people Obama really associates himself with instead of the people Obama happened to be in the same room with sometime 15-20 years ago. Obama has chosen David Plouffe as his campaign manager. Plouffe is now responsible for leading one of the most financial record breaking and innovative Presidential campaigns in history. Obama has most recently chosen Joe Biden as his Vice President, one of the most well respected and intelligent of current sitting Senators. Hillary and Bill Clinton who now regularly speak out for Obama.

Obama, thus far, has chosen all the right people for the job he needs them to do.

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Originally Posted by VM1138

That might present a problem for a President who will have to face down wily foreign leaders like Ahmadhinijad.

What does facing Ahmadinejad have to do with Obama having known Ayers?

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Originally Posted by VM1138

Oh, and then there is the fact that Obama owes his political career to the Chicago political machine, which is one of the most underhanded, corrupt ones in the country. That should raise some alarm bells, too.

Obama owe's the catapulting of his political career to two things. His ability of oratory and the political strategy of David Axelrod. Much like Bush owes his political career to Karl Rove.

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VM1138 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Last Seen: 08-27-08 09:55 PM Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Obama seeks to silence ad tying him to 60s radical People, people. I don't know the background of this situation. Political ads always twist things and misquote, it's nothing new. The IDEA behind the ad is legit, though. Obama does appear to be a poor judge of character. He has defended people like Reverend Wright, has questionable relations with these radicals (to whatever extent that might be), and always claims he knew nothing about who these people were. I'm not so concerned about whether or not he was intimately close with Ayers, I'm more concerned with the fact that we keep having all these questions about people he has associated with. And since the people close to a President are influential, I am a little nervous (hopefully in reality there is nothing to worry about) with the people he has surrounded himself with. That might present a problem for a President who will have to face down wily foreign leaders like Ahmadhinijad. Oh, and then there is the fact that Obama owes his political career to the Chicago political machine, which is one of the most underhanded, corrupt ones in the country. That should raise some alarm bells, too.

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VM1138 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Last Seen: 08-27-08 09:55 PM Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Obama seeks to silence ad tying him to 60s radical What bothers me is the people on the Left. I know there are crazies everywhere, but with the attack on Michelle Malkin, Ayers, all these people, you wonder if they're embraced. Sure, they only happen to be at a general party or meet and greet, no personal relations they say. Yet how often do Neo-Nazis appear at Republican rallies? Maybe at most there's an anti-abortion fanatic, but not a bomber. I could be wrong, though. But it just seems to me that the freaks are a bit more predominant in the Democratic Party, and whether they are friends, associates, or don't know each other, I'm uncomfortable that they seem to have such access.

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