Obama seeks to silence ad tying him to 60s radical

independent_thinker2002 · 08-29-08, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

We are FOR America. Wouldn't you say that you'd have liked the Bush administration being less secretive?

Well, if Obama is already deceptive and misleading and secretive, what do you expect he will be like when he no longer needs our vote?

Some of us are asking Obama to answer questions. Some of us have concluded Obama is sympathetic to Ayers, an admitted "small "c" communist "fellow traveler". Others may have already jumped to the conclusion that Obama must be up to no good if he won't answer questions beyond admitting, improbably, 'we are just neighbors.'

Fellow traveler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your McCarthy like insinuations have no power here. But I'm sure Hoover would be proud of you.

bhkad · 08-29-08, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

"Good chum"?

Dishonest.

Hater.

No. Wrong.

bhkad · 08-29-08, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

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Originally Posted by bhkad

It is more than that. In fact, the way the Obama machine is rolling and rolling out over America, looks pretty ominous.

Absotlutely terrifying!

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Next, the Obama thugs came for Stanley Kurtz
By Michelle Malkin • August 28, 2008 10:28 AM

Michelle Malkin Next, the Obama thugs came for Stanley Kurtz

Funny how none of the enemies of the USA or threats to our Freedoms worry you but the US government does...

Iriemon · 08-29-08, 10:02 AM

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Funny how none of the enemies of the USA or threats to our Freedoms worry you but the US government does...

a good icon to respond to this post. A big: Huh?

bhkad · 08-29-08, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

Absotlutely terrifying! No doubt he'll complete the terrorist muslim takeover of the world!

Many a true word was spoken in jest. You may be onto something! But that, later. Right now let's go on to this passage from an interesting article entitled, "Obama, Shaman."

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Machiavelli’s prince was the first intimation of a modern charismatic type, the demiurge who used a demonic virtù to overcome divisive self-seeking in the name of social solidarity. Self-interest led to market capitalism and alienation; civic selflessness led to public-spirited communitarianism and happiness. The “Machiavellian vocabulary,” the historian J. G. A. Pocock argued in The Machiavellian Moment, became the “vehicle of a basically hostile perception of early modern capitalism.” Machiavelli rejected the commercial ethos (predicated on the pursuit of private interest) that the leading Anglo-American statesmen sought to encourage.

In doing so, he anticipated modernity’s childish dream of an anodyne world. His communitarian state is the prototype of the workers’ paradises of Marx and Lenin and the Nordic Valhallas of Hitler and Houston Stewart Chamberlain. His influence is evident in both the enlightened despot celebrated by the Continental philosophes and the socialist wizard admired by intellectuals like Edmund Wilson, who hailed Marx as a mix of “Prometheus and Lucifer,” a heroically diabolic figure who could redeem the waste land of modern capitalism, the forerunner of Lenin and Stalin, Castro and Mao. The Machiavellian ideal of a communitarian paradise haunts, too, the welfare-state philosophy that Bismarck (for his own cynical reasons) promoted when he established the world’s first Wohlfahrtsstaat, a model for socialists in Germany and welfare-state liberals in England and the United States.

In breathing fresh life into Machiavelli’s communitarian daydream, Obama revives a style of charismatic leadership that fell out of favor in the United States after the death of FDR. Of the three presidents since 1945 most often regarded as possessing charismatic qualities, the first, Kennedy, was a tax cutter who questioned liberal utopianism when he said that “life is not fair,” and the second, Reagan, sought to curb the hubris of New Deal étatisme. The third, Clinton, said that he could feel our pain but retreated from his pledge to heal it when he scrapped a plan to nationalize medicine. Obama, by contrast, is faithful to the old-style charismatics, whose slogans (“social solidarity,” for example) he has taken out of cold storage.

Obama, Shaman by Michael Knox Beran, City Journal Summer 2008

donc · 08-29-08, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

After reading this far I was struck by the realization that you really do not recognize that Obama is a leftist/Socialist, do you?

Just like you I will hold my nose and vote, in my case it will be voting for the NOT BUSH.

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How can you support the man's candidacy without knowing even that much about him?

Because I know McCain is BUSH MINI ME.

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Obama does not subscribe to a mainstream ideology. What he has done is to use various methods of personal charm, persuasion, the law, Alinsky techniques and the power of his race and his innate intelligence, to hide his TRUE colors.

Nothing wrong with Saul’s technique (Alinsky techniques) of when you see downtrodden people, you try to organize them, and focus their attention, on what will alleviate the problem. Of course if mainstream ideology happens to be the problem, much like it was when blacks had to set in the back of the bus…, so be it.

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IF (and you should note I capitalized the word, "if") Obama was a Stalinist Communist and intended to fool us into voting for him so he could lead this country toward a Soviet style Communism, there would be NOTHING he'd have to do differently than what he's already done. He could get away with it. You and others like you are the proof. Obama has shown us that half the country wouldn't make him answer any questions about his past associations.

You sure have a long, laundry list of boogiemen don’t you bhkad?

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And he still is an unrepentant radical, small "c" communist by his own admission.

Using your definition of radical I guess, you could call him radical: if you define a radical as someone wanting to get the country out of the mess of the last eight years; too get the economy at to least what it was when the current band of fools took charge almost eight years ago, and start clawing our way back from the debts of hell that the Bush/McCain policies have left our countries reputation.

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Mayors give keys to the city and recognize prominent individuals without necessarily giving them a blanket seal of approval.

And Mayors are not always the shining beacons of integrity you'd like us all to believe.

Yes, I also notice that Mayer Daly has managed to stay out of jail unlike the ones you cite. I could create a list of Republicans misdeeds but will stay above that, (using the famed ellipse chain of an unnamed poster)……for now.

edited to add this.

"What is the American radical? The radical is that unique person to whom the common good is the greatest personal value. He is that person who genuinely and completely believes in mankind. The radical is so completely identified with mankind that he personally shares the pain, the injustices, and the sufferings of all his fellow men."
--Saul Alinsky; Reveille for Radicals

Iriemon · 08-29-08, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

I'd welcome the chance to see all of McCain's questionable associations, decisions and political judgments. Why don't you start a thread for that subject?

Thanks, that was my point about the posts in this thread re: "How much hay did the liberals make of the casual relationship between the Bush family and the bin Ladens"

bhkad · 08-29-08, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

Your McCarthy like insinuations have no power here. But I'm sure Hoover would be proud of you.

You haven't a leg to stand on. Out of the communist's mouth.

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"I am a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist ... [Laughs] Maybe I'm the last communist who is willing to admit it. [Laughs] We have always been small 'c' communists in the sense that we were never in the [Communist] party and never Stalinists. The ethics of Communism still appeal to me. I don't like Lenin as much as the early Marx.

--- Bill Ayers

Bill Ayers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Ever since the rantings of Sen. McCarthy it has been a cardinal sin to suggest what has come to be called “guilt by association.” But if we drop the word “guilt” it should be a matter of common sense that who an individual chooses to associate with gives some indication of his interests, tastes and values.

So it might not be amiss to take a look at some of the chosen associates in the life of a man who is a contender for the position of President of the United States and Commander in Chief of its Armed Forces.

Family Security Matters » Publications » Exclusive: Obama: The Company He Kept

independent_thinker2002 · 08-29-08, 10:30 AM

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You haven't a leg to stand on. Out of the communist's mouth.

Ah, you got me on that one. I thought you were saying that Obama was a communist. But you said Ayers was. My bad.

But, you still are wrong about Obama being a fellow traveler.

Hoover's still proud of you.

TBone · 08-30-08, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

I guess you slept through the Clinton Presidency then...much like you are sleep walking post 9-11.

The reason Clinton signed the Congress legislation was because they dictated the agenda to him....and he caved. Welfare Reform, NAFTA, tax reductions....on and on and on......

Read up on it all and become INFORMED.

Yo genius, I guess you missed it when the Democrats and UN thought and said the same thing.

You're definitely not on the wagon, you're riding on that short yellow bus obviously. Have some more cool-aid.

Carry on, you truly are a waste of time in any endeavor to have a coherent debate.

You amaze me, you're in denial. Say it with me, say it slow, so you can understand, "I am a GW backer, and a GOP member, and both GW and my party screwed up this country" It's okay to own up to your heros mistakes and stupidity.

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