Obama seeks to silence ad tying him to 60s radical

Gibberish · 08-27-08, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Days

Instead of hoping that they are not wrong about this man, perhaps America should be be given honest answers before we vote.

Because those fishing for answers will not accept the truth. They will not accept that Obama, who came from practically nothing and had 0 political ties, took every opportunity he saw. Obama's association with Ayers living room has nothing to do with Ayers himself and everything to do with Former Senator Alice Palmer being present in that living room.

The fact is Ayers is a politically active Professor at University of Illinois and it would have been unavoidable for Obama to not see him at least a few times a year, which is about the number of times Obama and Ayers were actually in the same location.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 08-27-08, 11:40 PM

og gib, are you dizzy from all that spin?

Gibberish · 08-27-08, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

og gib, are you dizzy from all that spin?

What spin? I stated exactly what was documented as occurring. The spin comes for those that seem devoted to painting Ayers as Obama's political mentor.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 08-27-08, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gibberish

What spin? I stated exactly what was documented as occurring. The spin comes for those that seem devoted to painting Ayers as Obama's political mentor.

right don quixote, those windmills, those damn windmills.

bhkad · 08-27-08, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs

I'm assuming this is more 'guilt by association' tactics from the right. Ayres was active in two radical organizations in the 1960's - Students for a Democratic Society and The Weathermen. The Weathermen bombed several buildings but always warned of the bombing in advance. No one was killed in those bombings. Three members of the Weathermen were killed during an accidental explosion while constructing a bomb - including Ayres girlfriend and another close friend.

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Ever since the rantings of Sen. McCarthy it has been a cardinal sin to suggest what has come to be called “guilt by association.” But if we drop the word “guilt” it should be a matter of common sense that who an individual chooses to associate with gives some indication of his interests, tastes and values.

So it might not be amiss to take a look at some of the chosen associates in the life of a man who is a contender for the position of President of the United States and Commander in Chief of its Armed Forces.

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It’s hard to say how many Americans still hew to the radical world view of the sixties. It is a safer bet that few outside of the tenured radicals of the colleges and universities would be comfortable knowing their elected leader associated comfortably with an unrepentant terrorist.

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The Times story was headed NO REGRETS… and began, “’I don’t regret setting bombs,’ Bill Ayers said. ‘I feel we didn’t do enough.’”

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The relevance of the Ayers saga today has to do with the relationship between the Ayers and Barack Obama. No one can claim they were ever bosom buddies, but their relationship certainly goes beyond the merely casual. Neighbors in the Hyde Park neighborhood around the University of Chicago, (say) they had what Obama’s spokesman David Axelrod calls “a friendly relationship.” Casual, not intimate. Well, it doesn’t necessarily imply intimacy but one may surmise a certain kindred spirit in the fact that a fundraiser for Obama in the early stages of his political career was held at the Ayers/Dorn house. In the years since, Ayers and Obama have appeared together on several panels, some of them organized by Michelle Obama.

And then there’s the matter of the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit foundation on which Ayers and Obama served together as paid members of its board of directors. During the time (1999 to 2002) that Obama was a director, the Woods Fund made generous contributions to an Arab group founded by Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, a supporter of the PLO while it was labeled by the U.S. State Department as a terror group, and another host of an Obama fundraiser. The group in question, the Arab American Action Network, subscribes to the idea that the establishment of the state of Israel is a Nakba, a catastrophe.

Now there are Americans - the faculty at Northwestern University and many of the Obamas’ and Ayers’ Hyde Park neighbors among them - who look upon William Ayers’ past as youthful indiscretion, and an admirable one at that, begging the question of how political decisions should be made in a democracy - by means of ballots or bombs.

Many others would be reluctant to elect a commander in chief perceived to have an outlook and values that reflect strongly radical sympathies. So far, little has been made in the mainstream media of this aspect of Obama’s background but it may well surface as the campaign goes on. It would be a shame if Obama’s loss of the election were to be ascribed to racism. It may just be that Americans reject him not because of the color of his skin but the content of his character.

Family Security Matters » Publications » Exclusive: Obama: The Company He Kept

Gibberish · 08-28-08, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

And then there’s the matter of the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit foundation on which Ayers and Obama served together as paid members of its board of directors. During the time (1999 to 2002) that Obama was a director, the Woods Fund made generous contributions to an Arab group founded by Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, a supporter of the PLO while it was labeled by the U.S. State Department as a terror group, and another host of an Obama fundraiser. The group in question, the Arab American Action Network, subscribes to the idea that the establishment of the state of Israel is a Nakba, a catastrophe.

Why thank you Aaron Klein of the WorldNetDaily.

bhkad · 08-28-08, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by donc

I guess when you have nothing else, use the swift boat tactics that worked against you in 2004.

John Kerry threw his medals over the White House fence.

Bill Ayers threw bombs into the U.S. Capitol building.

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<CHICAGO (WLS) -- Records were released in Chicago Tuesday regarding a non-profit organization that Barack Obama chaired back in the 1990s. That school reform group, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, is linked to former 1960s radical activist William Ayers.>

<Ken Rolling, who served as executive director of the CAC, says that Obama was an engaged leader, elected by an influential board of educators, who attended nearly every board meeting until the Chicago Annenberg Challenge ended its run in 2002.
Rolling contends that Obama was an inspirational chairman among some highly qualified educators and that he remained very involved after stepping down as board chairman.
Professor Bill Ayers has declined comment on his relationship with Obama and was not available for comment Tuesday. Ayers did work to bring the Annenberg money to Chicago and actively worked with the program, but he was not on its board.>

abc7chicago.com: Chicago News 8/26/08

The reporter who has finally succeeded in gaining access to the records is the National Review Online Contributing Editor, Stanley Kurtz. This very interesting article, posted 8/18/08, suggests a coverup.

Here is the beginning of the article.

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August 18, 2008 7:45 AM

Chicago Annenberg Challenge Shutdown?
A cover-up in the making?

By Stanley Kurtz

The problem of Barack Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers will not go away. Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn were terrorists for the notorious Weather Underground during the turbulent 1960s, turning fugitive when a bomb — designed to kill army officers in New Jersey — accidentally exploded in a New York townhouse. Prior to that, Ayers and his cohorts succeeded in bombing the Pentagon. Ayers and Dohrn remain unrepentant for their terrorist past. Ayers was pictured in a 2001 article for Chicago magazine, stomping on an American flag, and told the New York Times just before 9/11 that the notion of the United States as a just and fair and decent place “makes me want to puke.” Although Obama actually launched his political career at an event at Ayers’s and Dohrn’s home, Obama has dismissed Ayers as just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” and “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.” For his part, Ayers refuses to discuss his relationship with Obama.

Although the press has been notably lax about pursuing the matter, the full story of the Obama-Ayers relationship calls the truth of Obama’s account seriously into question.

When Obama made his first run for political office, articles in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde Park Herald featured among his qualifications his position as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a foundation where Ayers was a founder and guiding force. Obama assumed the Annenberg board chairmanship only months before his first run for office, and almost certainly received the job at the behest of Bill Ayers. During Obama’s time as Annenberg board chairman, Ayers’s own education projects received substantial funding. Indeed, during its first year, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge struggled with significant concerns about possible conflicts of interest. With a writ to aid Chicago’s public schools, the Annenberg challenge played a deeply political role in Chicago’s education wars, and as Annenberg board chairman, Obama clearly aligned himself with Ayers’s radical views on education issues. With Obama heading up the board and Ayers heading up the other key operating body of the Annenberg Challenge, the two would necessarily have had a close working relationship for years (therefore “exchanging ideas on a regular basis”).

So when Ayers and Dorhn hosted that kickoff for the first Obama campaign, it was not a random happenstance, but merely further evidence of a close and ongoing political partnership. Of course, all of this clearly contradicts Obama’s dismissal of the significance of his relationship with Ayers.

Stanley Kurtz on Barack Obama, Bill Ayers & Chicago Annenberg Challenge on National Review Online

Anyone wanting to follow this story would do well to add Stanley Kurtz to their bookmarks list. He is the one who is leading the investigation into this matter.

bhkad · 08-28-08, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gibberish

Why thank you Aaron Klein of the WorldNetDaily.

If I was your guy I would just tell the truth and come clean.

Uh, unless he knows that if he does he would lose. In which case he dare not tell the truth. In which case he doesn't deserve to win.

So, if he isn't going to be candid about these matters you and he will have to get used to seeing more and more and more issues raised about him. They are all 'out there' and are just waiting to be investigated.

And they will begin to appear from every direction, every couple of days. And anyone looking to defend him against all of these charges will have a very long next two months.

At some point you will tire of the effort and wonder why you are fighting so hard for a candidate who refuses to just tell the truth.

And then you will realize that Obama's not the candidate you hoped he'd be.

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When that day comes we will welcome you with open arms.

bhkad · 08-28-08, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Gill

Good question. Why is a felon working for a state university??

Government wrongdoing resulted in his case being thrown out and he walked.

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In 1980, Ayers and Dohrn turned themselves in. (The first words Ayers's father said to him were, "You need a haircut.") By then they had had two children together, and the bombing conspiracy charge against the couple had been dismissed due to government misconduct.

Dohrn plea-bargained to charges of inciting to mob action and resisting police officers. She was sentenced to three years' probation and a $1,500 fine. Ayers was not charged. Even then he showed a way with words: "Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country," he said.

No Regrets - Chicago Magazine - August 2001 - Chicago

independent_thinker2002 · 08-28-08, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

Government wrongdoing resulted in his case being thrown out and he walked.

How many more attacks did he commit after that?

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