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Old 08-25-08, 07:57 AM   #181
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Re: In 2002 Obama supported infanticide

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How many late term abortions are being used as contraception?
All abortions kill.
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Don't have sex unless your willing to deal with the consequences without killing. Don't get on my case for offering the same sort of thinking you offer above...
Thanks for pointing out core conservative position:

Don't have sex.

And if you do, don't expect us to provide support for care for the unwanted baby we are going to make you have.

While a "no sex" position is fine, it doesn't provide for the support of the unwanted children produced by the failure of the policy.
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Old 08-25-08, 07:58 AM   #183
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Thanks for pointing out core conservative position:

Don't have sex.

And if you do, don't expect us to provide support for care for the unwanted baby we are going to make you have.

While a "no sex" position is fine, it doesn't provide for the support of the unwanted children produced by the failure of the policy.
Why should I pay for YOUR choice to kill, but you take issue with paying for MY preference for life?
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Don't have sex unless you want to "provide the means for supporting the child" that may result from your behavior choice.

...same sort of reasoning, only in my suggestion, there is this magical thing that is both a blessing and a burden...it's called "personal responsibility!"
Nice policy statement. But it doesn't provide an excuse for abandoning the unwanted children resulting from the failure of the policy. You are punishing the babies for the failure of the mother to conform with your policy.
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Old 08-25-08, 08:02 AM   #185
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Why should I pay for YOUR choice to kill, but you take issue with paying for MY preference for life?
Uh, because you are the one who wants to force mothers to bear the unwanted child.

You made it crystal clear you aren't willing to support raising taxes to provide food, shelter, health care and education to unwanted babies, much less the medical costs of life support for premies or children with Downs syndrome like the example the pro-life nurse gave.

If you don't want to pay taxes, the cost of an abortion is miniscule compared to the cost of supporting a child, and is the best way to keep your taxes low on this front.
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Old 08-25-08, 08:02 AM   #186
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Nice policy statement. But it doesn't provide an excuse for abandoning the unwanted children resulting from the failure of the policy. You are punishing the babies for the failure of the mother to conform with your policy.
And I said that policy must change to care for those kids.

Furthermore--without the nannystate, don't you think people's behavior choices would conform somewhat with the prospect of carrying a child rather than always having the option to kill the mistake? There might be an initial many "unwanted" baby bump, but behavior would change. Look to drinking and driving numbers to see how policy affects behavior.
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Old 08-25-08, 08:05 AM   #187
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You made it crystal clear you aren't willing to support raising taxes to provide food, shelter, health care and education to unwanted babies, much less the medical costs of life support for premies or children with Downs syndrome like the example the pro-life nurse gave.
Keep beating that drum with that red herring. That is NOT what I said at all.

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If you don't want to pay taxes, the cost of an abortion is miniscule compared to the cost of supporting a child, and is the best way to keep your taxes low on this front.
Never said I wouldn't pay exorbitant taxes--merely said I want some say in how that tax money is allocated. I would LOVE to pay taxes that went to "provide food, shelter, health care and education to unwanted babies, much less the medical costs of life support for premies or children with Downs syndrome like the example the pro-life nurse gave" and DID NOT go to killing or supporting irresponsible behavior.

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And I said that policy must change to care for those kids.
That makes you one of the very rare conservatives willing to pay higher taxes to provide care for unwanted children. Good for you, I applaud you willingness to support a comprehensive position.

Unfortunately, you are a tiny minority among conservatives.

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Furthermore--without the nannystate, don't you think people's behavior choices would conform somewhat with the prospect of carrying a child rather than always having the option to kill the mistake? There might be an initial many "unwanted" baby bump, but behavior would change. Look to drinking and driving numbers to see how policy affects behavior.
Somewhat. But the argument that people will stop having sex in any comprehensive way is not realistic.
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Old 08-25-08, 08:09 AM   #190
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Somewhat. But the argument that people will stop having sex in any comprehensive way is not realistic.
And killing human beings for convenience and to save costs is rational? NOT!
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