Gladiator

A great deal of misinformation has been published, and not retracted.

Methan is supposed to be a greenhouse gas, that adds more greenhouse effect than CO2.

However, the Greenhouse effect is not driving the global warming that has been occurring over the last 100 years. So neither Methane or CO2 are causing Global Warming.

Foctors that might be driving Global warming include Solar Forcing, Volcanic heat, and cloud spacing/concentrations.


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UtahBill

Did you see the TV show on global dimming? They make the point that without global dimming, global warming would be worse. Perhaps this is a natural feedback of warming that helps keep temperatures within habitable ranges?

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
NOVA | Dimming the Sun | PBS

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Heretic

The same amount of denialism is involved as in any of the crank theories - creationism, HIV/AIDS skepticism, antivaccination, 9/11 Twoofers...

It all involves a hilarious denial of published research and evidence combined with vast claims of conspiracy and suppression of information. The tactics used in this campaign are identical to the tactics used by the tobacco industry decades ago when they were trying to convince us smoking wasn't bad for us, primarily because a lot of the same players are involved. Denialists ignore publishing their theories in any journals where real science debate occurs and instead focus on a mass media campaign - publishing books and opeds, showing up on talk shows, making television commercials, and challenge politicians to a throwdown on the science instead of anyone actually involved in the appropriate field. All done in order to sway an otherwise uneducated and ignorant public.

There's a wonderful video detailing the history of AGW skepticism here:
YouTube - The American Denial of Global Warming

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FireFly

I agree Heretic. Global warming is nothing more than the government telling us how to live our lives. With this it will be a tax, they will have leverage over companies they like and dislike, they can determine which companies fail or succeed, and they can run the businesses.

Global warming is a fraud. There is what I mentioned above and other things to control us as well.

If this climate change was real and going to do what they say, the government could also do the following:

tell us what to eat
what to drive
when to drive
what to bathe with
how much we can drive
when to cut grass
what we have to buy
how much of a resource we can use
how often we can go out
whether or not we do certain recreational activities
what health or beauty products to use
what places to buy from
What type of house we live in

The list can go on and on. All in the name of an unproven theory.

Heretic

No, I'm afraid we don't agree at all, FireFly.

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FireFly

Then explain how we disagree and where you believe I am in error.

Heretic

Interesting. I thought the video would have made it obvious. But if clarification is necessary, here were the relevant bits I disagreed with:

As usual, skepticism for AGW is wrought not from an evaluation of the evidence of its existence, but on the potential implications its existence will have on national policy. Makes the video I posted that much more relevant. I encourage you to watch it.

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ADK_Forever

It may be up in the air what the one, worst cause of GW is. I suspect more than one thing is contributing! But, there really is no argument among the top scientists that GW is real, is here and we need to address it.

All the charts and data and algorithms can be confusing. You know what they say, "a picture is worth a thousand words". Google "melting glaciers, before and after photos". There are tons of pics showing you proof what is happening to the world's glaciers. And the effects on the world's weather, agriculture, economies, marine and vegetation depletion and much more are scary to say the least.

Some skeptics will point out that some glaciers are actually growing as their proof that GW is not true. Some areas are getting increased moisture, due to GW, and thus the glaciers are growing. However, those numbers are very small.

Check it out,

ADK4ever

Gladiator

One question is how fast is Global Warming ocurring? Another question is what what increases in natural sequestration of Carbon are increased as global warming increases, and CO2 increases?

What is the percentage of increase in Global warming caused by CO2? What percentge from Methane? What percentage from Freon refrigerants? What percentage form other man made greenhouse gasses?

To what exent can Solar heat increases, cloud cover variations, increased Volcanic releases, and oher natural phenomina be defintively measured in their effect on Global Warming?

To what extent are scietific data manipulated for politcal or economic purposes? To what extent do poor countries, and rebels within rich countries, want to embarrass rich countires?

To what extent do producers of CO2 gasses protect their economic interests by diminishing the measurements of Global Warming, and minimizing the effects of Human activites on Global warming? To what extent is conservation of resources for future generations a noble factor in arguing that more greenouse gasses are being produced by Man, and that more global warming is occurring as a result of man burning more fossil fuels?

To what extent is the fear of Global Warming being used to persuade individuuals in Democracies to give up their freedoms to government control?




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Heretic

IPCC AR4 WGI FAQs

That link should provide you with most of the answers for your questions about the science of global warming. The full reports that might be helpful are located here and here. They'll be far more in depth than the link above. Also, the EPA, NASA, NOAA, and every other scientific organization in our government will also have online resources that may prove useful. I can try and find some specific links if necessary.

Enjoy!

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