FOR INFIDELS: Islam and the Submission of Women

bhkad · 07-30-08, 11:03 AM

For Infidels:

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"In 4% of the cases, women were superior, in 91% of the cases they were inferior and in 5% they were equal."

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Islam and the Submission of Women

By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI) and spokesman for politicalislam.com. CSPI’s goal is to teach the doctrine of political Islam through its books and it has produced an eleven book series on political Islam. Mr. Warner did not write the CSPI series, but he acts as the agent for a group of scholars who are the authors. The Center’s latest book is The Submission of Women and Slaves, Islamic Duality.

FP: Bill Warner, it’s a privilege to have you back at Frontpage Magazine. We are going to do a two-part series with you on the most recent book. In this first part we will discuss Islam and its doctrine on the submission of women and in the next part we will discuss the matter of slavery.

Welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Warner: Thank you, it is a pleasure.

FP: So tell us in general where Islam stands on women and why.

Warner: Islam’s stand on women is the same as its stand on every issue—duality and submission. Dualism demands that everything is seen, not as a unified whole, but as divided. The primary political duality is the division between kafirs (unbelievers) and believers. The primary internal duality is the division between males and females.

The principle of submission means that one must rule over the other. No surprise, the women must submit to the men.

CSPI measured the submission of the female to the male by analyzing the Islamic doctrine. All of Islam’s doctrine is found in the Koran, the Hadith (Traditions) and the Sira (the life of Mohammed), the Trilogy. We collected every verse, every paragraph and every sentence that mentioned women and their power relationships. These were all categorized into the women being superior, inferior, equal or merely mentioned.

In 4% of the cases, women were superior, in 91% of the cases they were inferior and in 5% they were equal. But there is a big catch. The only way that women are equal is after death on Judgment day, when men and women will be judged on how well they followed the Koran and the Sunna. And guess what? The only way to follow the Koran and the Sunna is to obey men. Equality means obeying men.

Woman are superior by being a mother, who must obey her husband. So the perfect woman on Judgment day will be a mother, who obeyed all the men in her life. So really, the women are subordinate to men in 100% of all of the Koran, Hadith and the Sira.

FP: So what’s the story on sex in heaven? Apparently men will have lots of fun but not women?

Continued at link.

Political Islam

In terms of equality, to be at the top of the list in Islam one needs to be a Muslim man. Women second. Then non-believers.

Contrast this with the Western ideals of equality for ALL people regardless of sex, race or religion.

winston53660 · 07-30-08, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

For Infidels:

In terms of equality, to be at the top of the list in Islam one needs to be a Muslim man. Women second. Then non-believers.

Contrast this with the Western ideals of equality for ALL people regardless of sex, race or religion.

Why are you attempting to compare seculare ideals with a religious ideal?

Can you say strawman?

Tucker Case · 07-30-08, 01:45 PM

Show me one major religion that does not have misogynistic scriptures.

Just one.

bhkad · 07-30-08, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by winston53660

Why are you attempting to compare seculare ideals with a religious ideal?

Can you say strawman?

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Originally Posted by Tucker Case

Show me one major religion that does not have misogynistic scriptures.

Just one.

Just attempting to do the job that Muslims could and should have done long ago of helping non-Muslims better understand Islam.

winston53660 · 07-30-08, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

Just attempting to do the job that Muslims could and should have done long ago of helping non-Muslims better understand Islam.

No your not..You're just trolling/flame baiting as usual.

Tucker Case · 07-30-08, 02:30 PM

OK, so Islam is like all other religions. Now explain how ISLAM (not radical Islam) is a greater IDEOLOGICAL threat than Christianity.

And don't cite ANY source outside of the scriptures themselves.

This is a test and it isn't open book.

Korimyr the Rat · 07-30-08, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tucker Case

Show me one major religion that does not have misogynistic scriptures.

Part of the problem is that almost every "major religion" is a direct descendant of the one that blamed women for every malady afflicting the lives of men. Hell, it's only been recently that the "major religions club" has deigned to admit that Hinduism should count as a major religion.

Heh. Bet you within a couple decades there will be more Wiccans on the planet than Jews, but they still won't be considered a "major religion".

bhkad · 07-30-08, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by winston53660

No your not..You're just trolling/flame baiting as usual.

No, some people would like non-Muslims to continue running around and arguing amongst ourselves about our different perceptions of Islam.

You aren't objecting to our becoming educated are you?

winston53660 · 07-30-08, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

No, some people would like non-Muslims to continue running around and arguing amongst ourselves about our different perceptions of Islam.

You aren't objecting to our becoming educated are you?

At the the University of bkhad?

No thanxs.

Tucker Case · 07-30-08, 04:58 PM

Remember, bhkad, when answering my previous questions that, according to the logic dictated by the OP ("In 4% of the cases, women were superior, in 91% of the cases they were inferior and in 5% they were equal.") 4% cannot negate the other 91% So don't bother trying to make the illogical claim that the few negate the many.

You must play by the rules you created.

The only way to prove to me that Christianity is not a threat, is to prove that the negative passages do notreally exist.

that's gonna be a tough one.

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07-30-08, 02:30 PM	#6
Tucker Case AKA Teabagger Case Mod Team Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Last Seen: Yesterday 05:29 AM Location: right next to there Posts: 18,350 Thanks: 10,214 Thanked 9,283 Times in 5,430 Posts Lean: Independent Gender: Total Awards: 3	Re: FOR INFIDELS: Islam and the Submission of Women OK, so Islam is like all other religions. Now explain how ISLAM (not radical Islam) is a greater IDEOLOGICAL threat than Christianity. And don't cite ANY source outside of the scriptures themselves. This is a test and it isn't open book.

07-30-08, 04:58 PM	#10
Tucker Case AKA Teabagger Case Mod Team Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Last Seen: Yesterday 05:29 AM Location: right next to there Posts: 18,350 Thanks: 10,214 Thanked 9,283 Times in 5,430 Posts Lean: Independent Gender: Total Awards: 3	Re: FOR INFIDELS: Islam and the Submission of Women Remember, bhkad, when answering my previous questions that, according to the logic dictated by the OP ("In 4% of the cases, women were superior, in 91% of the cases they were inferior and in 5% they were equal.") 4% cannot negate the other 91% So don't bother trying to make the illogical claim that the few negate the many. You must play by the rules you created. The only way to prove to me that Christianity is not a threat, is to prove that the negative passages do notreally exist. that's gonna be a tough one.
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