FOR INFIDELS: Islam and the Submission of Women

bhkad · 07-31-08, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tucker Case

A question:

According to Hasidic tradition, the Torah has been hand transcribed word for word for 4000 years or so.

The bible, according the "inerrant and inspired word of God" gang is identical to the way it was approximately 2000 years ago at the very least 400 years ago for the KJV-only crowd.

BEST case scenario, both of these books have not been changed since well before the industrial revolution.

So my quesiton is: Are the Torah and the Bible outdated because they have gone unchanged for so long using the same logic as the quote above?

PLEASE NOTE: I HAVE ASKED NO QUESTION ABOUT ISLAM IN THIS POST.

Also I would like to know if you believe that these TWO books have or have not been changed since they were first compiled and, if they were changed, when they were last changed and by how much.

Thanks.

I dunno.

But I know that Christianity has moved beyond the way the Bible may have suggested women be treated. (I recall some poster asked about the practice of stoning women. Christianity has given up on that.)

Here are some practices proscribed by the Koran. (Sometimes I think that being Muslim wouldn't be so bad if most of these rules were still observed. Not #1, however. That's just wrong. But in the 7th Century I can understand how it might have made sense.)

Does anyone know how many of these are still practiced today throughout the Ummah?

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1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.

2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear
highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded—as if domestic violence in any form is acceptable).

3. A Muslim polygamist may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.

4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.

5. Slave-girls are sexual property for their male owners.

6. A wife may remarry her ex-husband if and only if she marries another man, they have sex, and then this second man divorces her.

7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.

8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.

9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.

10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a dirt field.

Top ten reasons why sharia is bad for all societies

Tucker Case · 07-31-08, 03:01 PM

You should have highlighted this as well:

PLEASE NOTE: I HAVE ASKED NO QUESTION ABOUT ISLAM IN THIS POST.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhkad

I dunno.

But I know that Christianity has moved beyond the way the Bible may have suggested women be treated. (I recall some poster asked about the practice of stoning women. Christianity has given up on that.)

You "don't know"?!?!?!? How do you define outdated then? You made tyourself the self-proclained expert on the matter, you should be able to answer a simple question.

Instead you spend as much time dodging as an unwilling target at a Bukake party would.

Jeez.

bhkad · 07-31-08, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tucker Case

You should have highlighted this as well:

PLEASE NOTE: I HAVE ASKED NO QUESTION ABOUT ISLAM IN THIS POST.

You "don't know"?!?!?!? How do you define outdated then? You made tyourself the self-proclained expert on the matter, you should be able to answer a simple question.

Instead you spend as much time dodging as an unwilling target at a Bukake party would.

Jeez.

It's that whole dual logic thing, ya know?

I can be knowledgeable and yet unknowing.

Seriously, this isn't a theology discussion as much as it is a cursory exploration of how Islam permits, instructs and/or encourages the submission of women.

And I don't understand the significance of your statement:

Quote:

PLEASE NOTE: I HAVE ASKED NO QUESTION ABOUT ISLAM IN THIS POST.

So what?

Iriemon · 07-31-08, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tucker Case

..

Instead you spend as much time dodging as an unwilling target at a Bukake party would.

Jeez.

LMFAO! That's a good one, I'll have to remember that!

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