FOR INFIDELS: Duality and Political Islam

bhkad · 07-30-08, 11:26 AM

For Infidels:

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"The only statement about humanity as a whole is that all humanity must submit to Islam."

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Duality and Political Islam

by Bill Warner (Sept. 2007)

Since September 11 we have asked the question: "What is the real Islam?" The answers from Muslims and Westerners are contradictory and make us confused.

There is one way to gain clarity and surety about Islam—our best rational approach is the scientific method.

Let us start with the fact that the complete doctrine of Islam is found in three texts: Koran, the Sira (Mohammed’s biography) and Hadith (stories and anecdotes about Mohammed)—the Islamic Trilogy.

The Koran is confusing as it is arranged, but it can be made straightforward by scientific analysis.

The first step is to put the verses in the right time order, collect and categorize all of the similar stories. It is at this point that the missing parts, or holes, in the document become apparent. The life of Mohammed fills in and explains all the gaps and all the confusion falls away. Mohammed is the key to the Koran and Islam.

The doctrine breaks down in time into Mohammed in Mecca (the early part) and Mohammed in Medina (the later part). In essence, there are two Korans, one written in Mecca and the second Koran written in Medina.

The two Korans are the first grand division of Islamic doctrine.

What is intriguing is that the two Korans include contradictions. "You have your religion and I have mine" 109:1 is a far cry from "I shall cast terror in the hearts of the kafirs. Strike off their heads…" 8:12. The Koran gives a way to solve these contradictions—the later verse is "better" than the earlier verse. But the earlier verse is still true. All the verses from the Koran are true because they are the words of Allah.

The Koran defines an Islamic logic that is dualistic. Two things which contradict each other can both be true. In a unitary, scientific logic, if two things contradict each other, then at least one of them is false. Not so in dualistic logic.

All of the doctrine refers to two classes of people—Muslims and non-Muslims, kafirs. The doctrine that applies to kafirs is political in nature and is rarely neutral or positive. The part of the doctrine that applies to Muslims is cultural, legal, and religious.

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Duality and Political Islam - New English Review

Keep these facts in mind when considering statements made about Islam and ask yourself how these facts might influence the way a Muslim might talk with you.

Kernel Sanders · 07-30-08, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

For Infidels:

Keep these facts in mind when considering statements made about Islam and ask yourself how these facts might influence the way a Muslim might talk with you.

So tell me, what is the "real Christianity?"

The Bible breaks down into two separate Bibles, the "Old Testament" and the "New Testament." What is intriguing is that these two Bibles include contradictions. For example, the "Old Testament" (Exodus 15:3) states that "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name," whereas the "New Testament generally describes the Lord as peaceful. The Bible gives a way to solve these contradictions. The latter verse is "better" than the earlier verse, allowing Christians to ignore such laws as Leviticus declaring shellfish an abomination. But this earlier verse is still true. All the verses from the Bible are true because they are the words of God.

Iriemon · 07-30-08, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders

So tell me, what is the "real Christianity?"

The Bible breaks down into two separate Bibles, the "Old Testament" and the "New Testament." What is intriguing is that these two Bibles include contradictions. The Bible gives a way to solve these contradictions. The latter verse is "better" than the earlier verse, allowing Christians to ignore such laws as Leviticus declaring shellfish an abomination. But this earlier verse is still true. All the verses from the Bible are true because they are the words of God.

And of course, if you are Jewish and don't believe in the NT, there is no exception to the law of the OT.

Should we keep these facts in mind when considering statements made about Judaism and ask yourself how these facts might influence the way a Jew might talk with you?

Taking words or statements and applying them to the whole group is classic bigotry.

Tucker Case · 07-30-08, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders

The latter verse is "better" than the earlier verse, allowing Christians to ignore such laws as Leviticus declaring shellfish an abomination.

Some literalist religions still acknowledge Leviticus and smoke a big fat joint after eating crab legs...

Kernel Sanders · 07-30-08, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

And of course, if you are Jewish and don't believe in the NT, there is no exception to the law of the OT.

Of course. That's why Judaism is such a terrible, violent religion.

winston53660 · 07-30-08, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders

Of course. That's why Judaism is such a terrible, violent religion.

Their military can kick ass unlike anyothers. 6 day war and all.....

Singularity · 07-30-08, 11:41 PM

I'm not really religious, but I can tell you that if a Muslim tells me that Allah really dwells inside of us like they say, I sure hope He enjoys enchiladas, because that's what He's getting!

Tucker Case · 07-30-08, 11:43 PM

My internal Allah is getting bacon... lots and lots of bacon. Is that wrong?

Singularity · 07-30-08, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tucker Case

My internal Allah is getting bacon... lots and lots of bacon. Is that wrong?

I don't know. I don't pretend to know all the answers. I don't pretend to even know what the questions are. Hey, where am I? And who are you?

Tucker Case · 07-30-08, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Singularity

I don't know. I don't pretend to know all the answers. I don't pretend to even know what the questions are. Hey, where am I? And who are you?

I'm confused...

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