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And that is all well and good. In fact, it is desirable. However, if that is in fact how you went about making your decision, you can't deny that you are not in the majority of those who support Obama.
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I don't know the exact ratio, but I doubt it's much different than any other candidate. There's many McCain supporters that are just as bad. It may not surprise you, but I am fairly active in the Obama campaign here, and in the local democratic party, and a fair amount of Obama supporters know their stuff, especially since a lot of us spent a while in '07 trying to decide on a crowded field.
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Not that I would expect you to even know what my worldview is. But I love how you fell in lockstep with the majority of Obamaheads and threw the ad hom in there. Not surprising.
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Your worldview of Obama supporters, as far as I can tell, is that they're a bunch of ill-informed zealots. Maybe worldview is the wrong word, but you get what I mean. Do you disagree?
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Because many Obama supporters won't even indulge criticism of him, meanwhile they will screech to high heaven calling McCain "an old idiot" and let's not even mention what we've listened to for the past 8 years directed at the current POTUS.
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First of all, the whole "Obama supporters won't even indulge criticism" thing is complete bull. Once again, what about the holy stink over Telecom Immunity. Also, if you read progressive blogs like openleft or mydd, they criticize Obama as often as they laud him. Can you say the same of powerline or redstate over McCain?
You also seem to have the idea that since McCain and Bush get so rudely attacked, its alright to attack Obama the same way. If its not right when progressives do it, why is it right when you do it? You're also ignoring all of the hate and vitrol heaped on people like Bill Clinton, Jack Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, et al. It's not a one sided occurance.
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What irritates the holy hell out of me about Obamaheads is that they will reframe every debate that focuses on anything negative about Obama as "you're just an Obama-hater" or "let's discuss the issues" (code for: let's not talk badly about Obama anymore).
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Some do, just as some McCain followers do the same thing. But sometimes we'll actually try to debunk the smears or debate the actual issue at hand. It's just hard sometimes when his opponents throw ridiculous ad hominems and other things at us that have no bearing to the issue at hand.
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I think I made my stance concerning want of an "S" in that speech. I'm not repeating myself anymore on that issue.
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I'm not referring to you specifically, just Obama opponents generally. Even you have to admit that some people just throw the **** against the wall to see what sticks, no matter how petty it is. Agreed?
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You are more than welcome to go on the attack over stupid **** like that but look how this thread immediate started out. Read the first page and Hatuey's glowing response to any depth being brought to the issue. It's typical. I've come to expect no better over the past couple of months.
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To be fair, how long did it take for Obama detractors to bring up stuff that had nothing to do with the issue at hand? I'll give you a clue: it was the second post.
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Will it? If you think so, I invite you to express how you think it will affect his ability to govern. I have no problem defending that issue and I more than welcome the discussion. That's the difference between Obamaholics and McCain supporters...we don't MIND the discussion and there is no need on our parts to deflect from it.
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If you have nothing wrong with discussing the issue of his age, then why did you use it above as a smear Obama supporters use?
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