Obama's Secret Rescue Mission

Lerxst · 07-27-08, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

No, of course not. My issue here is that rather than address the point that was made, some people would rather just disregard that there is an issue to address, whether positively or negatively, because they don't want to accept that Lil' Messiah has his issues at all.

Wasn't it you that called me to task for making fun of McCain's age by calling him Methuselah? What is with all this Messiah bull****?

jallman · 07-27-08, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman

Wasn't it you that called me to task for making fun of McCain's age by calling him Methuselah? What is with all this Messiah bull****?

A depiction of the way his candidacy is being portrayed is a far cry from making an attack on his age.

Kernel Sanders · 07-27-08, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

Would you like to refute the point or just make ad hom attacks against Debbie Schlussel?

I thought not.

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Originally Posted by jallman

So that's a no. You prove my larger point with ever blathering post you make.

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Originally Posted by jallman

No, of course not. My issue here is that rather than address the point that was made, some people would rather just disregard that there is an issue to address, whether positively or negatively, because they don't want to accept that Lil' Messiah has his issues at all.

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Originally Posted by jallman

A depiction of the way his candidacy is being portrayed is a far cry from making an attack on his age.

You have yet to address any issue in this thread. All of your posts are either ad hominem attacks or attempts to cast in a bad light the fact that - god forbid - people actually like Obama

Lerxst · 07-27-08, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

A depiction of the way his candidacy is being portrayed is a far cry from making an attack on his age.

Lol...okay.

jallman · 07-27-08, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders

You have yet to address any issue in this thread.

Then you failed to read.

jallman · 07-27-08, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman

Lol...okay.

Yeah, okay.

Lerxst · 07-27-08, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

Yeah, okay.

Look, you are attaching a title to the man, not his campaign. You are referring to him. And you are doing it in such a way that is insulting his supporters. Your depiction paints his supporters as blind followers. You know this and it doesn't go unnoticed.

Kernel Sanders · 07-27-08, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

Would you like to refute the point or just make ad hom attacks against Debbie Schlussel?

I thought not.

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Originally Posted by jallman

So that's a no. You prove my larger point with ever blathering post you make.

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Originally Posted by jallman

No, of course not. My issue here is that rather than address the point that was made, some people would rather just disregard that there is an issue to address, whether positively or negatively, because they don't want to accept that Lil' Messiah has his issues at all.

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Originally Posted by jallman

A depiction of the way his candidacy is being portrayed is a far cry from making an attack on his age.

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Originally Posted by jallman

Then you failed to read.

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Originally Posted by jallman

Yeah, okay.

Here are your posts in this thread. Please put in bold the phrases or sentences that you believe have addressed the issue at hand.

jallman · 07-27-08, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman

Look, you are attaching a title to the man, not his campaign. You are referring to him. And you are doing it in such a way that is insulting his supporters. Your depiction paints his supporters as blind followers. You know this and it doesn't go unnoticed.

Notice it then. Most of his supporters are blind followers because they are having a reaction to Bush rather than making their decision based on the current two candidates.

Whatever. Truth is very rarely ever well received by blind zealots. I'm totally aware of that fact.

But to depict the campaign and the chosen way it is portrayed is not the same as to make a slur against his age which he cannot help.

Now back to our regularly scheduled equivocations, denials, and misdirections.

bhkad · 07-27-08, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffMerriman

So my question would be to all here...how would you feel about a man who attempted to broker peace with Middle Eastern terror groups and their state supporters while at the same time was fully committed to the security of Israel?

As has been pointed out in the past, terrorism is a methodology, not an actual group of people. It's a means of conducting business to achieve a desired end.

Whether any members of this forum agree or not, the fact is that many Muslims across the globe feel that the U.S. and it's allies have engaged in supporting terrorism throughout the Middle East over many years and in different ways. This is how they feel. Certainly the methodologies are much different and ideologically we disagree on whether or not what the U.S. has done amounts to terrorism, but that is the reality of how they view us.

So here we are, with most of world viewing us as a clumsy, ignorant, heavy handed nation of cowboy warriors, smashing around Iraq with little in the way of a sound strategy to actually live up to all the grandiose claims we made when we went in. The heat we have caught over this is enough to fry the egg that is all over our face.

At this point, why would we not want to at least open some level of dialog? Oh I know we say we don't negotiate with terrorists, and that has been our position historically because to recognize them as worth negotiating with is the first step in validating their methodology for getting what they want. At least that is certainly the way conventional wisdom directs us.

But what about at least trying to understand what position they are operating from. I'm not talking about appeasing them, or giving in. I'm talking about, well...talking to them. Nothing in fighting this war on terrorism (what an oddly chosen name) precludes us from using diplomacy as a tool instead of a laser guided bomb or a platoon of Navy SEALS.

Does Obama talking with this man equate to him supporting Hamas or Hezbollah? Does it mean he is cozy with Iran? Is it such a horrible thing that he has Muslims in the photos with him? Are we still that scared? Are we still riding that xenophobic horse created in 2001, whipping it full stride with fear mongering and terror threat level indicators?

Are we really so stupid as to assume that Obama is selling us out because he is talking to someone?

We don't know who he is really working for. His associates range from bigots to domestic and international terrorists to domestic and foreign indicted felons. He tried to sneak a bill through the Senate which would have obligated the US to pay a $845 Billion tax to the corrupt United Nations and which would also cede to the UN some of our sovereignty. He wants to raise taxes during a recession. He opposed the Troop Surge because it won him support with the liberal base but was in opposition to the idea of trying to fight back the influence of Islamist aggression and now that the Surge has proven to be successful he still says he would have opposed it even though it would have guaranteed US defeat and a victory for Islamism. He goes to European capitals to gauge his popularity among the populations abroad as his global Socialist effort is being considered here. And the peoples here and there are being manipulated overtly and covertly by the Saul Alinsky tactics which have been proven successful at fomenting revolution, and there's the so far, un-addressed issue of the 400(???) paid but covert bloggers.

AND his low-key Muslim affiliations.

And that's not all of the reasons to mistrust him.

But, to anyone who is a true blue loyal American, how much ickyness can you abide before it becomes suspicious to you???

I don't trust him.

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