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Old 07-23-08, 07:57 PM   #41
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Re: Sen. John Edwards Caught With Mistress And Love Child!

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We have an example of allegations which might seem fantastic on the face of it. But the closer you look the more doubt there is.
You're funny.

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No one is saying that Sinclair's allegations are true, but they do deserve to be investigated thoroughly. And anyone who suggests otherwise is trying to avoid what they fear might be revealed.
His allegations WERE investigated. Nothing came of those investigations. Then he even took a lie detector test (and got paid for it), which he FAILED. What more could it possibly take to convince you?

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If there is nothing to fear then there would be no reason to try discrediting the publications covering the story or Sinclair.
So if I claim that George W. Bush molested me when I was a child, and I find some random tabloid to publish my allegation, what kind of "investigation" do you think I'm entitled to?
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Only when it says something he likes.
If it said something I didn't like, you are right that I might not come to it's defense. But on the other hand, I might.
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It says something he likes.
Again, not necessarily.
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Re: Sen. John Edwards Caught With Mistress And Love Child!

I don't know why everyone thinks The National Enquirer is not a reputable news source. Truth be told, it's one of the few news sources that actually dares to print the truth. I've been reading the tabloid since it blew the cover off the Carter Administration's "Jimmy is actually a UFO baby" cover-up back in the early '80's. And we all remember that story, don't we!? Thanks to the solid work by The Enquirer, Reagan was able to usurp control from a potentially hostile alien and his peanut-farming clone army.

But that famous news story aside, I have a personal reason to love The Enquirer! Did you know that an issue of The National Enquirer saved the lives of me and my family? I swear, Thanksgiving dinner, five years ago, Bigfoot broke into our house. Mom left the kitchen window ajar, and I guess the big hairy beast caught whiff of that delicious punkin' pie that mom bakes up every November. We all heard a loud crash from the next room, and ran in with forks and butter knives at the ready. Well, you can imagine how startled we all were when we came face-to-face with a ten foot yeti in our house. But you know what? Bigfoot was even more surprised to see us! Or maybe he was just scared, I dunno. All I know is that next second after we ran into the kitchen, he let out a yowl (yes, yeti's yowl...have you ever seen a yeti!? Well, I have so don't argue). Then he farted, which wouldn't have been so bad except that the gas stove was still lit, and this huge ball of flame set fire to the kitchen and burnt an image of Jesus Christ onto the refrigerator.

I grabbed the fireproof issue of the Enquirer off the living room table and beat the flames out. Unfortunately, in the mayhem none of us thought of dashing for the camera, and Bigfoot escaped in his flying saucer parked out back (we didn't actually see the flying saucer, but we know there was one because the next morning we discovered a crop circle in mom's winter petunias. Oh, and uncle Charley had to have an anal probe removed a few days later). We managed to save the cranberry sauce, but all of the antique nogahide furniture was ruined and had to be replaced. Noga's were really pricy back then, so yes, the whole thing cost a pretty penny.

And we never took a picture!

Anyhow, I was actually drinkin' with George W. Bush a few years ago. I mean, we were gettin' TORE UP, DAWG! Laura is nice, but man, when she busted us out on the porch pounding J.D. out of the bottle she went ballistic! And to make matters worse, a National Enquirer reporter just happened to be eavesdropping from the barn and broke the story wide open.

BUSH'S BOOZE CRISIS - Celebrity News | Gossip - National Enquirer

Sorry Dubya. If only CNN, Fox, or some lesser news agency were there instead...WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE THE ENQUIRER!?
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Old 07-23-08, 08:30 PM   #45
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Re: Sen. John Edwards Caught With Mistress And Love Child!

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Actually, "tabloid" is referring to the number of pages on each web as the paper is printed. Broadsheets have 4, tabloids have 8, and signatures (sigs) have 16.

Looks like they weren't very journalistic here:

Entertainment: Kate Hudson Wins Case Against Enquirer - The Post Chronicle
The size, format and the content all now help define what is a tabloid.

I alluded to the effect that such lawsuits had on tightening up the accuracy and accountability of their reportage.

Newspapers get sued from time to time. It's a fact of life. The result of a libel suit is usually that Editors lean on reporters to get the basic reporting right. And reporters who have a difficult time accurately interpreting the world around them are reassigned or fired.

Some people really can not accurately interpret people's words and actions or relate information objectively. Those people do not belong in the business of reporting or editing.
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Re: Sen. John Edwards Caught With Mistress And Love Child!

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You're funny.



His allegations WERE investigated. Nothing came of those investigations. Then he even took a lie detector test (and got paid for it), which he FAILED. What more could it possibly take to convince you?



So if I claim that George W. Bush molested me when I was a child, and I find some random tabloid to publish my allegation, what kind of "investigation" do you think I'm entitled to?
You might ask Margie Schroedinger of Sugar Land, TX that question. She accused Bush of raping her. She also accused the secret service of raping her husband. Then she went off the deep end and committed suicide. Let's post this as a true story..... Nah, on the other hand, why should I bring myself down to somebody else's level? LOL.
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Re: Sen. John Edwards Caught With Mistress And Love Child!

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You're funny.

His allegations WERE investigated. Nothing came of those investigations. Then he even took a lie detector test (and got paid for it), which he FAILED. What more could it possibly take to convince you?
More than just the Team Obama's bum rush to a quick dismissal of the matter based on insufficient evidence. You are proving my point that you have rushed to judgment without knowing ALL of the facts.

Have you perused the info at LarrySinclair.org?

LarrySinclair.org

Anyone who looks at what is presented there will have more than a few doubts about your premature exasperation at these allegations persistence.



Here is an example of how your pronouncement is made without knowing the facts. ALL the facts.

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Subject: FW: [Fwd: Re: can you call me or Mr. Sibley Tuesday]
Page 1 of 2
6/17/2008
-------- Original Message --------
Dear Mr. Sinclair,
I'll be happy to give Mr. Sibley a call on Tuesday. But perhaps it's best if I provide you with a written
summary of my opinion regarding the polygraph examination arranged by WhiteHouse.com.

For full
disclosure, let me state up front that I support Barack Obama's candidacy for president of the United
States and have contributed to his campaign.


1) Firstly, it's important to understand that while there is a widespread public belief in the polygraph, the
consensus view among scientists is that it's junk science. Even under the best conditions, lie detector
testing still has no scientific basis and the results are not to be relied upon. I suspect that many who cite
your polygraph results to discredit you would instead be discrediting the polygraph had Ed Gelb
proclaimed you truthful. It's important to understand that polygraph results are not evidence one way
or another.


2) The manner in which Gelb's polygraph examination of you was conducted raises special concerns.
We know from his polygraph report for Wendy Ellis, the former prostitute whom Gelb polygraphed
regarding her claim that U.S. Senator David Vitter was a client, that Gelb has previously included
computerized scoring results in his polygraph reports. But in your case, Gelb for some reason failed to
mention the computerized results. Thanks to Gordon Barland's review, we know that on the drug
question, you received the same computerized score as Wendy Ellis did: less than a 1% probability of
deception. That's about as high a passing score as one can possibly attain. Neither Gelb nor Barland have
provided an adequate explanation of how they arrived at their hand scored results completely
contradicting the computerized result.

3) We don't know what the computerized scoring results were for the sex question, as Mr. Gelb did not
provide the raw data to Dr. Barland for analysis.

4) As AntiPolygraph.org has documented (Polygraph Operator "Dr." Edward I. Gelb Exposed as a Phony Ph.D.), Ed Gelb,
who conducted your polygraph examination, is fraudulently passing himself off as a Ph.D. in marketing
his services to the public. His academic fakery does not speak well of his credibility. It's hard to think of
a good faith reason why WhiteHouse.com would have selected this polygraph operator to examine you.
Had Dan Parisi done due diligence by simply Googling Ed Gelb's name, he would have learned of this
ethical cloud hanging over Gelb's head.

5) WhiteHouse.com's failure to fulfill its promise to make publicly available the video of your polygraph
examination raises further questions, suggesting that there may be something about the conduct of the examination that it does not want to be publicly known.


Subject: Re: can you call me or Mr. Sibley Tuesday
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:14:42 +0200
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So if I claim that George W. Bush molested me when I was a child, and I find some random tabloid to publish my allegation, what kind of "investigation" do you think I'm entitled to?
If you file the charges, as Sinclair has, and have the kind evidence Sinclair has, I'd say you are entitled to an investigation which conclusively proves you are telling the truth or that you are telling a lie.

But in this case it is the AMERICAN PEOPLE who deserve the whole truth. And that is one of Obama's weaknesses. There is too much about him which is not yet known.

I have slept with women on the first date and I can tell you that they knew nothing about me or my intentions but they were often heard to say, "I don't usually do this on the first date, but I can tell you are different."

Pfft.

I was able to deceive them because they wanted to be decived.

Kandahar, you want to be deceived, if you are an American citizen and support Obama. Or, if you're not an American citizen, you want US to be deceived by Obama.

As an American citizen, honesty is what I mostly want from Obama and McCain.

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You might ask Margie Schroedinger of Sugar Land, TX that question. She accused Bush of raping her. She also accused the secret service of raping her husband. Then she went off the deep end and committed suicide. Let's post this as a true story..... Nah, on the other hand, why should I bring myself down to somebody else's level? LOL.
Again, I say that if she had the evidence and filed the affidavits and/or charges it would certainly be a feather in someone's cap if they investigated and found the charges were factual.

Sinclair is alive and completely candid and an experienced judge of human behavior would have to at least take the next step.

You just don't want Obama to lose.
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Hell yeah. We'll be seeing the Colbert Report being cited soon.

How about TheSpoof.com - spoof news headlines, parody and political satire stories

Apparently bhkad thinks that the OJ trial is still going on, after all, only during those short months did the NE try to go respectable. That was what 11 years ago?
I was civil and patient when answering you. I didn't have to be.

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Again, I say that if she had the evidence and filed the affidavits and/or charges it would certainly be a feather in someone's cap if they investigated and found the charges were factual.

Sinclair is alive and completely candid and an experienced judge of human behavior would have to at least take the next step.

You just don't want Obama to lose
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Why? I don't care about Obama. Is your partisanship so rabid and dishonest that you are willing to call anybody who is going to vote for Barr an Obama supporter? Yup, that's what it looks like.
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