obvious Child

I've come to expect such mindless comments from people completely unable to refute any argument I make.

1) Shale oil is generally low grade, not usable as a vehicle fuel source
2) Drilling in the US is highly unlikely to reduce prices
3) The rise in the price of oil is largely due to inflation and the weak dollar.

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Navy Pride

Wrong, still, as usual I helped clean up a spilll in Alaska..........

Who said there was going to be a spill or do you just wish for them?

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1. wrong
2. wrong
3. wrong

Just because you say it does not make it so.........

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obvious Child

You're right, just because I say so doesn't make it so. What is amusing is that you think that if you say so then you're right, but if anyone who disagrees with you says so they are wrong because they "said so."

Time to use the 500 gigaton nuke on your rampant, out of control hypocrisy Navy.

But then I cite links and arguments from economists and geologists, my argument is far stronger then whatever crap you guys tend to post.

So once again, as I have supported previously with numerous arguments and links,

1) Shale oil is generally low grade, thus not usable as a vehicle fuel source
2) Drilling in the US is highly unlikely to reduce prices
3) The rise in the price of oil is largely due to inflation and the weak dollar.

If you have an actual argument for a change, make it.

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jfuh

Regardless of when you did so, was it easy? Dig but only shallowly on the beaches of where ocean oil spills occured and you will still find the very oil that was "cleaned up" and still causing ecological damage.
Sorry but oil doesn't just so easily "disappear" it's one of the many reasons it's able to stay as oil underground.
Even with surfactants it takes decades before it's "decomposed".

How many spills have there been since 2000. Care to venture?
Why would you say that I or anyone would wish for an oil spill? That's utterly pathetic and disgusting that you would think anyone would wish for such a thing - is more telling about you're inability to honestly debate the topic than anything else.

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Not readily no, but like other low grade oils it too can be cracked.

Bingo, unless we are able to be completely self sufficient on our own domestically produced oil and NOT need to import anything or be able to off set the international oil price by such a large extent our domestic production won't me squat. As the report I sourced in the first page from the DOE confirmed.

as well as increased international demand

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The question becomes at what cost, both monetary and energy. Corn Ethanol has proven itself at least on some levels to contain slightly more BTUs then the amount that goes into it. Turning low grade shale oil into high grade fuels may require more energy then we get. I can easily see us importing more oil from overseas to fuel the changing of low grade shale to high grade oil. Counterproductive really. It's essentially welfare to companies at that point.

Even if we are self sufficient, our prices will still be set internationally. I don't understand why people cannot understand this very simple point. Brazil is virtual self sufficient and all of its oil exports are priced at international rates. I suppose the massive drop in demand from the US would result in a decline on oil prices, but we'd still be pricing our stuff according to the market rates. The only way we could set our own prices is through nationalization or price ceilings, both of which are horrific ideas.

I still find that highly questionable. If you look at India and China's per day consumption from 2004 to 2008, it hasn't risen significantly. Over the past four years, they have added roughly 1 million barrels per day to their combined consumption. That's peas in the grand scheme of things. Adding another 365 million barrels of annual consumption when the world annual consumption is around 30 billion is chump. When the two largest rising users don't add a whole lot to demand, and when supply hasn't changed, there is something else at work here. Sure it plays a part, but not much. Meanwhile the dollar has tanked like a rock causing huge amounts of money to flow into oil to act as a hedge. Contrary to belief, there has not been a massive spike in demand.

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Anyone know the btu costs of using low grade oil in Coal liquefaction? That would produce viable vehicle fuel, but what are the numbers on it?

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Navy Pride

More proof that the price of gasoline is supply and demand no matter how much the left says it isn't...............


Oil sinks as fuel prices and slow economy hurt demand - Jul. 16, 2008

: Oil plunges on supply increase

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Originally Posted by jfuh You just watched a report - well then it should be very very easy to cite it because CNN has transcripts of it's reports on it's website. I've looked but I haven't found anything even close to what you are saying with regards to "oil companies can't drill on the lands they've already leased and been approved for drilling". In contrast what I have found that is more similar is this piece So speaking of honesty, please show me the source. I will reserve judgement until seeing that response.

OK.

There are no lawsuits by environmentalist groups stopping oil drilling in the US. Not a one. Much less thousands. I just "lied" and made it all up. Therefore not only are there not thousands of lawsuits, but there aint even...one. I mean, if an oil company does not have the right to drill ya sure don’t need even a one lawsuit to stop ‘em. Nah!

Any Google search will turn up thousands of documented lawsuits that have stopped oil drilling. Ergo there must not be thousands of these lawsuits at all! Not even a single one, much less thousands. jfuh can't find a link about this Earth shaking news flash, therefore it was/is made up!


Chuckle.

Carry on.............