Originally Posted by Orius

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You are simply blind to what I wrote. I did not say that China needs an oppressive government to stay in power, but that the current oppressive government is all that it has standing between prosperity and national collapse. They are maintaining a very delicate status quo, and any transition right now would lead to decades worth of setbacks and widespread disparity much higher than current levels.

Do you think the CCP is stupid? They know that people don't like the oppressive regime, but China cannot afford, even by virtue of its resource limitations, a transition to universal human rights. The sky would be black and more people would be starving. China has already said that maybe someday its people will have more rights, once it is fully industrialized and the environmental problems are addressed. Until then, it cannot afford dissention during the industrialization process, because the megaprojects are extremely sensitive and delicate. I guess what I'm trying to say is, it is easy to judge them from our perspective as these evil, power hungry, fear mongers that want to control an empire, but there are practical reasons for why they are maintaining such tight control. It's not so black and white.

I already said that I am not in favour of repressed human rights, however China is a very unique case and if you would care to delve into its history and rise to industrialization you would understand why its current status quo is what it is. I'm not attempting to justify the lack of human rights, but to explain why it is what it is, because often all you get coming from the Western public is irrational hatred of China for being Communist and oppressive. There are survivalist forces at work there.

Originally Posted by John Hobbes319

Once again the commodity is already on the market that is how China acquired it in the first place, it is not anything like the Fed printing up a whole bunch of new currency because this currency is already in the market, all that would happen is it would change hands, and simply changing who owns the currency will in no way effect the value of said currency.

Say you have a gold bar, if I purchase that gold bar from you does the value of that gold bar change? No it does not. Say you have a million gold bars, if I buy those gold bars from you will it effect the value of gold as a whole? No not unless you have just mined that gold and are adding something to the market which hadn't already been there.

Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris

Its just a matter of watch this hand while it waves in front of your face in distracts you. Dont watch this hand as it pounds acceptance into your head. Then another handcomes out China government's ass and slaps a Tibetian.

Originally Posted by FreeThinker

Chinese from China that want to go back to apply their degrees in the Chinese economy? Hur hur... no. And the entire point of mentioning degrees was to prove that higher education in the US is much better than China, which, if you insist that Chinese scholars get their degrees here, means you agree with me.

Originally Posted by FreeThinker

Obama isn't dumb, and neither is McCain. And what free speech does the US government censor exactly? Child porn on the internet? OH NO WE CAN'T LOOK AT KIDDIE PORN? DAMN OUR FASCIST GOVERNMENT.

Originally Posted by FreeThinker

In today's world the press is not the only source of information one has.
Here we are a nation with a "free press" and yet the public was still so ill informed and unquestioning that it allowed the government to propagandize us into a bogus war in Iraq. So much for the gaurdians of freedom.
What I am saying is that the people that live in the society are more informed of their own government than someone on the outside getting their information from biased news sources.

Originally Posted by FreeThinker

My wife is from Osaka. We've been married 6 years. I can read, write, and speak Hiragana and Katakana. Also, no one in Japan gives a sh*t about politics or world affairs. They have some of the worst voter turnout of any democracy on the planet. Do I know more than most Japanese people do about their government? Yeah, I do. Don't assume anything about what I do or do not know.

Originally Posted by FreeThinker

First of all, saying that Vista is utter rubbish is probably one of the most ignorant things I've heard on this forum, and I've heard quite a few. Vista took 5 years and billions of dollars to develop. It is dynamically aware of the exact specs and drivers for every piece of binary hardware connected to the system. It can utilize more than 4 processors at the same time to run the same program. It organizes files on the hard drive based on how much you use them - programs you use more frequently are clustered near the OS data so they run faster. Vista can take an external flash drive and turn it into virtual memory.

If you don't like Vista, it's probably because you have a crappy computer. Vista needs decent hardware to run correctly. Don't complain that your toyota engine blew up when you put jet fuel in it. That, or you have a ton of garbage programs running in the background that you are too lazy to get rid of.

Originally Posted by FreeThinker

I happen to know a few Chinese programmers. They code bots for a game I used to play. None of them have any formal training in program design, and the code they write is messy as hell. Name one single commercially applicable program developed by Chinese coders IN CHINA. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by FreeThinker

Japan was and is a capitalist democracy. China is totally different.

Originally Posted by jfuh

China is capitalist but not a democracy, nor do I believe has anyone claimed opposite.
As for Japan being a democracy sure.

Originally Posted by ludahai

Japan not a democracy?

Originally Posted by FreeThinker

You know what? I give up. You win. China is a wonderful nation with happy people. They love their government and are much better educated than us stupid Americans. They have far better schools and research institutions than we do. The west has no right to complain about their human rights violations, since we raped and pillaged their country hundreds of years ago. America should be apologizing to China for those long years of abuse. Communism is a wonderful system of government and 100% of Chinese citizens are happy. China is the best country on the planet. Mao was a peaceful humanitarian.

Originally Posted by ludahai

Japan not a democracy?

Originally Posted by jfuh

When most instances are dealt with behind closed back rooms? - no I would not accept Japan as a democracy; nor would I consider S. Korea to be a democracy either.