Hugh_Akston

The person who molested by ex-step daughter confessed to having molested three other girls between the first time he got caught and when he molested my step daughter. So he did it 5 times and got caught twice. Had he "not been able to help himself" when it came to my ex-step daughter, he would have gotten away with the other three. After doing an extensive amount of research on this subject, I can tell you that your smartass attitude is not only unappreciated, but unwelcome as well.

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Iriemon

That is a bit of an overbroad conclusion, isnt' it?

Or would you think it fair to say that Abu Grave reveals what scum soldiers are?

Hugh_Akston

Wait a second! Are you actually defending the statement that lawyers (for the most part) are by and large scum? Seriously???

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Iriemon

No.

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TacticalEvilDan

Okay, so you've used an acedote to side-step my question, which is as follows:

Could you answer that question, please? One example does not a evidence-backed conclusion make.

Could you point me to your extensive amount of research which demonstrates how you can know that "a higher percentage that does but doesn't get caught" without, you know, the authorities catching anyone?

In other words, what supporting evidence to you have to show for a conclusion that inherently can't be proven (in my opinion of course)?

Yeah, I get that a lot.

Unfortunately for you, I'm not actually being a smartass, I'm just questioning you bluntly and frankly. You're falling into the same trap that a lot of folks do (myself included, from time to time) -- reading the wrong tone where no tone was indicated.

Trust me, when I start cutting up, you'll know.

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DURKA DURKA JIHAD

"No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent."
-- Abraham Lincoln

Diogenes

We can and we should judge them by the content of their character. Those who have none at all, as evidenced by their depraved behavior, must be removed from society quickly, permanently, and without hate.

Disagreed. Once again you are judging by a superficial resemblance to human beings rather than their chosen behavior.

TacticalEvilDan

Where did I say that they shouldn't? I am saying that you can't determine whether or not someone is a member of the human race based on behavior.

Actually, I'm not judging at all. The human race is a species, not a social club. If you meet the scientific criteria for membership, you're in. If not, you're a member of another species.

You absolutely positively can not determine whether or not someone is a human based on their behavior. If you are born a human, you die a human (barring some sort of Sci-Fi genetic resequencing).

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DURKA DURKA JIHAD

"No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent."
-- Abraham Lincoln

Diogenes

You are merely playing linguistic games. The point is that those who engage in such repugnant behavior must be removed from society promptly and permanently.

TacticalEvilDan

No, I'm not playing any linguistic games.

The point I'm trying to make is that, no matter how depraved, we cannot disown the criminals who disturb the peace. They are members of, and products of, society at large.

Folks like yourself (typically, from my experience) try to disown such individuals as monsters and toss them in the garbage disposal. My feeling is that if we do that, we're condemning ourselves to an infinitely repeating loop of violence and depravity.

Before anybody spazzes, I'm not saying we should hug them and kiss them and wipe their brows with a damp washcloth and dote upon them. I'm saying that we can't just pretend they're something other than human and that our society had nothing to do with their formation.

What I am saying is that it is our obligation to understand what it is that makes a "monster," because such individuals reflect on the health and moral fiber of society as a whole. We have to get a grasp of what about our society needs to change so that such individuals pop up less and less frequently, until they do not pop up at all.

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DURKA DURKA JIHAD

"No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent."
-- Abraham Lincoln

Diogenes

You are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that not disposing of these creatures is what leads to more violence and depravity.

Perhaps at one time they had the potential to become useful members of society, but they chose to throw it away. Society must then throw away these creatures in order to protect the weaker members of society.

That sounds like a nice academic exercise, but the health of society improves when it has the moral fiber to deal promptly and decisively with transgressors.