Will the Supreme Court's Butchery of the Constitution Get Us Attacked?

[aquapub]

Now that the Supreme Court has sealed the success of the unending Democrat quest to release terrorists by defying more than half a century of precedent, inventing rights for foreign terrorists under our Constitution, and sending us back into the pre-9/11 Democrat Stone Age of counter-terrorism where we fight wars with ACLU rules and arrest warrants rather than our military, will the left's dangerously stupid love affair with militant Islam give us a sequal to 9/11...after 7 years straight of preventing terrorist attacks by fighting and detaining terrorists?

 

[winston53660]

Now that the Supreme Court has aided the unending Democrat quest to release terrorists by defying more than half a century of precedent, inventing rights for foreign terrorists under our Constitution, and sending us back into the pre-9/11 Democrat Stone Age of counter-terrorism where we fight wars with ACLU rules and arrest warrants rather than our military, will this dangerously stupid oligarchy of unaccountable judges get us attacked...after 7 years straight of preventing terrorist attacks by fighting and detaining terrorists?

Hey the SCOTUS has a right wing majority now!!!!

 

[aquapub]

Hey the SCOTUS has a right wing majority now!!!!

Clearly not.

 

[winston53660]

Clearly not.

Oh it is all Bush's fault now since he appointed the swing to a right wing majority:lol:

 

[DarkWizard12]

Its a hung court. There are 4 democrats, 4 republicans, and 1 moderate.

 

[aquapub]

Oh it is all Bush's fault now since he appointed the swing to a right wing majority:lol:

Bush can only do so much with the information he is given. Nothing in the backgrounds of Alito or Roberts ever indicated that they would up and abandon the fundamentals of the Constitution to release terrorists.

 

[aquapub]

Its a hung court. There are 4 democrats, 4 republicans, and 1 moderate.

It still trends left, as this overtly activist ruling removes all doubt of.

 

[rsixing]

Bush can only do so much with the information he is given. Nothing in the backgrounds of Alito or Roberts ever indicated that they would up and abandon the fundamentals of the Constitution to release terrorists.

What "fundamentals" of the Constitution do you believe was abandoned?

 

[aquapub]

What "fundamentals" of the Constitution do you believe was abandoned?

How about the basic fact that the rights for criminals in our Constitution apply to American citizens, not foreign terrorists committing acts of war against our military, our landmarks, or our people.

 

[rsixing]

How about the basic fact that the rights for criminals in our Constitution apply to American citizens, not foreign terrorists committing acts of war against attack our military, our landmarks, or our people.

I think this is a key point you bring up and the one issue I have struggled with. If we had provided the rights to these "foreign terrorists" according to the standards of the GC, entered them into our system as POW's and then determined they were terrorists via a tribunal, wouldn't that have made this SCOTUS decision moot?

 

[aquapub]

I think this is a key point you bring up and the one issue I have struggled with. If we had provided the rights to these "foreign terrorists" according to the standards of the GC, entered them into our system as POW's and then determined they were terrorists via a tribunal, wouldn't that have made this SCOTUS decision moot?

The problem is that Geneva Convention gives to many rights to POWs for us to be able to prevent terrorism and classify them as that. Calling them enemy combatants leaves room for longer detentions, doesn't require evidence sufficient for a military court martial, etc.

But if Marines in Baghdad raid a terrorist safe house and find a laptop with phone numbers linked to Saudi accounts notorious for terror-sponsoring, and all you have on the guy you just captured is that his number is on that computer and that he has tons of money in his bank account, wired from Saudis, that grossly exceeds his own income...you need to be able to detain him until you can sort out the evidence.

We've released terror suspects as they were cleared and there was never a single claim of this process being abused. Things were fine. There was no reason to change them and certainly no Constitutional justification to apply the rules of criminal court for American citizens to foreign terrorists. It's insanity, and it's going to get us attacked.

"...no one notices when 9/11 doesn't happen. Indeed, if we had somehow stopped the 9/11 attack, we'd all be watching Mohammed Atta being interviewed on MSNBC, explaining his lawsuit against the Bush administration. Maureen Dowd would be writing columns describing Khalid Sheik Mohammed as a 'wannabe' terrorist being treated like Genghis Khan by an excitable Bush administration..." -A.C.

There's clearly zero Constitutional basis for releasing hundreds of known terrorists back into the population...the only logical conclusion is that the same liberals who burn our flag, ban our pledge, stab our troops in the back, fall over themselves to defend Islamic lunatics, and oppose national defense at every turn simply support releasing terrorists.

 

[Doc Howl]

Now that the Supreme Court has sealed the success of the unending Democrat quest to release terrorists by defying more than half a century of precedent, inventing rights for foreign terrorists under our Constitution, and sending us back into the pre-9/11 Democrat Stone Age of counter-terrorism where we fight wars with ACLU rules and arrest warrants rather than our military, will the left's dangerously stupid love affair with militant Islam give us a sequal to 9/11...after 7 years straight of preventing terrorist attacks by fighting and detaining terrorists?

I voted "other".

Because there was no "Please stop with the hyperbole" option.

 

[Doc Howl]

It still trends left, as this overtly activist ruling removes all doubt of.

REMINDER, KIDS! An "activist judge" is one that makes a decision a neocon disagrees with.

 

[Hatuey]

For me to answer this poll I'd have to consider the decisions of the Supreme Court 'a butchery' of our constitution. Since I do not then I can not answer it. Oh well.

 

[winston53660]

Bush can only do so much with the information he is given. Nothing in the backgrounds of Alito or Roberts ever indicated that they would up and abandon the fundamentals of the Constitution to release terrorists.

Oh man you are hilarious. But not good enough for Saturday morning cartoons.

 

[Doc Howl]

The problem is that Geneva Convention gives to many rights to POWs for us to be able to prevent terrorism and classify them as that.

Well, if I have to choose, I'll take the rule of law over the "prevention" you describe.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

As usual, the poll question is slanted in such a way that makes any answer irrelevant. This is not a poll; it is a statement.

I would have to vote "other".

 

[Kandahar]

Now that the Supreme Court has sealed the success of the unending Democrat quest to release terrorists by defying more than half a century of precedent, inventing rights for foreign terrorists under our Constitution, and sending us back into the pre-9/11 Democrat Stone Age of counter-terrorism where we fight wars with ACLU rules and arrest warrants rather than our military, will the left's dangerously stupid love affair with militant Islam give us a sequal to 9/11...after 7 years straight of preventing terrorist attacks by fighting and detaining terrorists?

Sigh...:doh

Alright folks, you know what this thread needs. Lolcats!

 

[Hatuey]

Sigh...:doh

Alright folks, you know what this thread needs. Lolcats!

That is the cutest thing I've ever seen.

 

[aquapub]

REMINDER, KIDS! An "activist judge" is one that makes a decision a neocon disagrees with.

REMINDER, KIDS! Using consistent, valid criteria such as "judges grossly usurping their constitutional authority to invent rights out of thin air" to define judicial activism will get you smeared by bitter posters who can't defend their arguments as a neocon who labels everything "judicial activism."

Well, if I have to choose, I'll take the rule of law over the "prevention" you describe.

I prefer the intellectually honest option...the one left out of this false choice you've presented...between fighting this war with ACLU rules and not following the law...the option that allows for us to treat terrorism as the military issue that it is and remain within the confines of the law.

 

[Hatuey]

Now that the Supreme Court has sealed the success of the unending Democrat quest to release terrorists by defying more than half a century of precedent, inventing rights for foreign terrorists under our Constitution, and sending us back into the pre-9/11 Democrat Stone Age of counter-terrorism where we fight wars with ACLU rules and arrest warrants rather than our military, will the left's dangerously stupid love affair with militant Islam give us a sequal to 9/11...after 7 years straight of preventing terrorist attacks by fighting and detaining terrorists?

Their role is to solve problems that arise in regards to our constitution. This includes problems that involve foreign citizens. Seems to me like they aren't inventing any rights. Merely doing their job. You just don't agree with it.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

 

[aquapub]

Their role is to solve problems that arise in regards to our constitution. This includes problems that involve foreign citizens. Seems to me like they aren't inventing any rights. Merely doing their job. You just don't agree with it.

Too bad simply underlining parts of the Constitution that say the Supreme Court has jurisdiction over all cases that arise under the Constitution between states and foreign states, citizens or subjects in no way establishes any judicial authority to force rules prescribed for American citizens in the criminal courts to be applied to foreign terrorists detained on a battlefield in a time of war or you'd have a point here.

 

[Hatuey]

Too bad simply underlining parts of the Constitution that say the Supreme Court has jurisdiction over all cases that arise under the Constitution between states and foreign states, citizens or subjects in no way establishes any judicial authority to force rules prescribed for American citizens in the criminal courts to be applied to foreign terrorists detained on a battlefield in a time of war or you'd have a point here.

If issues regarding foreign citizens(that includes foreign terrorists) and the constitution weren't meant to be addressed by the SCOTUS why would it be included as part of their job description?

 

[shuamort]

Its a hung court. There are 4 democrats, 4 republicans, and 1 moderate.

2 out of 9:

John Roberts (Chief Justice) Appointed by GW Bush REPUBLICAN
John Paul Stevens Appointed by Ford REPUBLICAN
Antonin Scalia Appointed by Reagan REPUBLICAN
Anthony Kennedy Appointed by Reagan REPUBLICAN
David Souter Appointed by GHW Bush REPUBLICAN
Clarence Thomas Appointed by GHW Bush REPUBLICAN
Ruth Bader Ginsburg Appointed by Clinton DEMOCRAT
Stephen Breyer Appointed by Clinton DEMOCRAT
Samuel Alito GW Appointed by Bush REPUBLICAN

So this proves that even Republican appointees see the law as liberal leaning or Republicans can't be trusted to make intelligent appointments.

 

[Navy Pride]

There is no doubt that the obstruction by the Democrats in the senate hurts our chances to track down terrorists in this country and because o that reason we could very well have another attack and soon................