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Will the Supreme Court's Butchery of the Constitution Get Us Attacked?

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That is horse **** and left wing spin and talking points...........Its outrageous to try and block terrorists phone calls into this country because they might be talking to and American Citizen............I nor my family nor any of my Conservative friends feel threatened or live in any fear............Again more partisan politics...

You mean partisan fearmongering. ;)

Funny how when terrorists make us decide between the civil liberty of getting to live and the non-existent constitutional right of foreign terrorists to plan their attacks in privacy, over public airwaves, Democrats dutifully stand with terrorists, against civil liberties that actually exist...Our Constitution doesn't even apply to foreigners.

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Trying to help trial lawyers sue telecom companies into ruin for sticking their necks out to prevent terrorism by helping us intercept foreigner to foreigner communications is not "obstructing the catching of terrorists?"

Sure the hell isn't. It's allowing me to do what I should be able to do, sue over contract should a party deviate from it. You want people to be stripped of their ability to seek redress because it goes against what you want. But people must always be able to seek redress. When a company goes around giving your data and information to the government and you didn't say it was ok to do, you should be able to take that to court.

Relentlessly stirring up bogus hysteria against Gitmo to get hundreds of terrorists released isn't "obstructing the catching of terrorists?"

Not when the course is looking into who we incarcerated. These aren't people taken off some battlefield, many of these people were nabbed in their homes. There needs to be a mechanism there to ensure that the government isn't rounding up people at random, deem who they like and don't like, and throw those they don't like into jail with no trials, or evidence, or time limit. That's pretty dangerous stuff right there, and I don't see it as proper action from the govenrment.

Repeatedly delaying, interfering with, and sabatoging troop funding isn't "obstructing the catching of terrorists?"

No, it's the Congress exerting their control over the military. You see, without official declarations of war we get crap like this. But seeing as the Republicans are just as keen as the Democrats on ignoring the Constitution, well you've made your bed and now its time to sleep in it. None of this has anything to do with catching terrorists. It has to do with controlling our government, and that's something we're supposed to always do. Dr. Franklin once remarked that this is a, "Republic, if you can keep it". The health and future of the Republic is in our hands, and if government grows too large the Republic will die. So instead of screaming that the sky is falling, we should note that even in times of danger it is not ok to expand the government. Expansion of government size, scope, and power is well more dangerous than any terrorist could hope to be. And which side is using fear mongering to excuse the rapid expansion of the government? Well, it's usually just the Dems in general; but the GOP took it over and have been doing a hell of a job with it. The threat of terrorism is overblown. Yeah, we need to look out but we don't need to freak out. And certain folk are encouraging the freak out.
 
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Sure the hell isn't. It's allowing me to do what I should be able to do, sue over contract should a party deviate from it.

There's a clause in phone company contracts assuring customers that if foreign terrorists use public airwaves to coordinate terrorist attacks, they won't assist the federal government in tracking them? Or are you just claiming that aiding in the intercepts violated the companies' policies against sharing personal information with potential indentity thieves and telemarketers?

Quite a stretch. :roll:

Sniveling about corporate privacy policies is kind of trivial when dealing with the prevention of terrorism in a post-9/11 world.

Even presuming contracts were violated, the government has the power to override and nullify private sector contracts to protect urgent and necessary national interests. If anyone should be allowed to sue, it is only the customers who had their identities stolen or in some way suffered monetary damages due to the companies allegedly renigging on privacy policies enacted for the stated purpose of preventing identity theft, fraud, etc...but no customer experienced any such financial loss.

Telecom companies would stop helping us prevent terrorism if constitutionally illiterate extremists (Democrats) succeeded in making it so that they could be sued into bankruptcy by for their trouble, so yes, this example qualifies as Democrats "obstructing the catching of terrorists."

These aren't people taken off some battlefield, many of these people were nabbed in their homes.

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"There are some 540 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. Most are al-Qaida
fighters captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan in 2001 and
2002."


Press Enterprise (Riverside, CA). June 26, 2005. GUANTANAMO BAY: TERROR SUSPECTS AND DUE PROCESS. Pg. D01.

"Most of the detainees were captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan"

The Associated Press. July 8, 2004. What's next after Supreme Court ruling in Guantanamo Bay case.

All the Supreme Court did here was blatantly misapply the Constitutional rights of American citizens to foreign terrorists captured in battle. Democrats carried out most of the terror-releasing quest, but couldn't finish the job without tagging the Supreme Court to deal the final knock out blow, once again advancing the interests of terrorists at the expense of national defense.

We detain terror suspects, most of whom are guilty, and hold onto them until they can be cleared. We've released them as they've been cleared, and while claims of abuse are instructed by the al Qaida manual to be made in every single case, there have been zero cases reported of deliberate misuse of this power or even accidental misuse that have been proven.

Again, this example qualifies as Democrats "obstructing the catching of terrorists."

No, it's the Congress exerting their control over the military.

You may prefer to focus on who should be controlling things, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about NP's assertion that Democrats are "obstructing the catching of terrorists," which repeatedly delaying, interfering with, and sabatoging troop funding is a clear example of.

You see, without official declarations of war we get crap like this. But seeing as the Republicans are just as keen as the Democrats on ignoring the Constitution...

I'll give you that both parties have up and disregarded the Constitution when it comes to declarations of war, but it is simply laughable to portray Republicans as even being in the same league of Constitution trampling as the activist, "make things up as you go" left.

Dr. Franklin...

It is undeniable that Democrats are impeding our capturing of terrorists. NP was correct. The only question here is whether or not you take the same shrooms Democrats do before reading our Constitution...or at least enough shrooms to buy into their ceaselessly ignorant, Constitutionally illiterate hysteria.
 
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And how does posting famous slogans from Founders about giving up liberties for security refute his claim that Democrats in the Senate are "obstructing catching terrorists?"

Trying to help trial lawyers sue telecom companies into ruin for sticking their necks out to prevent terrorism by helping us intercept foreigner to foreigner communications is not "obstructing the catching of terrorists?"

Relentlessly stirring up bogus hysteria against Gitmo to get hundreds of terrorists released isn't "obstructing the catching of terrorists?"

Repeatedly delaying, interfering with, and sabatoging troop funding isn't "obstructing the catching of terrorists?"

YouTube - Senate Minority Leader Reid: "We killed the Patriot Act."

But I thought invading Iraq would prevent any more attacks. "We're fighting them there so we don't have to here." Ooooops! ;)
 
There's a clause in phone company contracts assuring customers that if foreign terrorists use public airwaves to coordinate terrorist attacks, they won't assist the federal government in tracking them? Or are you just claiming that aiding in the intercepts violated the companies' policies against sharing personal information with potential indentity thieves and telemarketers?

Quite a stretch. :roll:

Sniveling about corporate privacy policies is kind of trivial when dealing with the prevention of terrorism in a post-9/11 world.

Even presuming contracts were violated, the government has the power to override and nullify private sector contracts to protect urgent and necessary national interests. If anyone should be allowed to sue, it is only the customers who had their identities stolen or in some way suffered monetary damages due to the companies allegedly renigging on privacy policies enacted for the stated purpose of preventing identity theft, fraud, etc...but no customer experienced any such financial loss.

Telecom companies would stop helping us prevent terrorism if constitutionally illiterate extremists (Democrats) succeeded in making it so that they could be sued into bankruptcy by for their trouble, so yes, this example qualifies as Democrats "obstructing the catching of terrorists."

I should be able to sue a company into bankruptcy for giving out my personal information to the government without my permission. Not only that, but I would not be a customer of theirs any longer, I'll go with companies which have explicit non-disclosure policies instead. Nosy SOBs can keep to their own damned business, you can't collect information on me just because you want to. I think we need a new string of laws which explicitly forbid the government from data mining its own people. A post 9/11 world does not validate or excuse fascist, police state policies and actions from the government. Terrorists are powerless to change anything, it's the government which offers the largest threat to our liberty and freedom.

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"There are some 540 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. Most are al-Qaida
fighters captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan in 2001 and
2002."


Press Enterprise (Riverside, CA). June 26, 2005. GUANTANAMO BAY: TERROR SUSPECTS AND DUE PROCESS. Pg. D01.

"Most of the detainees were captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan"

The Associated Press. July 8, 2004. What's next after Supreme Court ruling in Guantanamo Bay case.

All the Supreme Court did here was blatantly misapply the Constitutional rights of American citizens to foreign terrorists captured in battle. Democrats carried out most of the terror-releasing quest, but couldn't finish the job without tagging the Supreme Court to deal the final knock out blow, once again advancing the interests of terrorists at the expense of national defense.

We detain terror suspects, most of whom are guilty, and hold onto them until they can be cleared. We've released them as they've been cleared, and while claims of abuse are instructed by the al Qaida manual to be made in every single case, there have been zero cases reported of deliberate misuse of this power or even accidental misuse that have been proven.

Again, this example qualifies as Democrats "obstructing the catching of terrorists."

Prove it. Stupid statements saying "oh yeah...we totally got these guys on a battlefield" doesn't mean a thing. And I for one will limit my government from being able to go around willy nilly like throwing whomever they like into some obscure jail somewhere. It's not what our government was authorized to do, nor should it engage in such horrible behavior. It only tarnishes the United States.

Also, the SCOTUS made the ruling, it wasn't the Democrats. Thus this can not be another example of Democrats obstructing the catching of terrorists.

You may prefer to focus on who should be controlling things, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about NP's assertion that Democrats are "obstructing the catching of terrorists," which repeatedly delaying, interfering with, and sabatoging troop funding is a clear example of.

And you're obstructing my freedom and liberty by endorsing action of the federal government beyond the constraints and chains of the Constitution. Now which one is worse? Big government is bad government, that's universal. Even in times of war (which a declaration for one would be nice, seeing as Constitutionally that's how you call up the army) allowing the government too much freedom to move is bad, well more dangerous than a group of punk ass terrorists could ever do. Terrorists can't change the government, they can't take our freedom, they can only hope to kill some of us; but that ain't gonna kill America. Live free or Die, that's what it's about here. We'll do what it takes to keep up a reasonable amount of safety, but it should never EVER come at the cost of liberty. As government increases, liberty decreases; every time you support the growth of the government beyond the constraints of the Constitution you rob the People of their liberty.

I'll give you that both parties have up and disregarded the Constitution when it comes to declarations of war, but it is simply laughable to portray Republicans as even being in the same league of Constitution trampling as the activist, "make things up as you go" left.

The Republicans are in the same league as the Democrats. Both are corrupt, treasonous aristocrats which care nothing for the People or our freedom; but rather for the continuation and proliferation of their own power.

It is undeniable that Democrats are impeding our capturing of terrorists. NP was correct. The only question here is whether or not you take the same shrooms Democrats do before reading our Constitution...or at least enough shrooms to buy into their ceaselessly ignorant, Constitutionally illiterate hysteria.

Both parties are after my rights, it's not just Democrats being stupid. The whole lot are corrupted, lying, a-holes betraying their oath to uphold the Constitution and spitting in the face of We the People...the true sovereigns of this land.
 
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