No terrorist training camps in Iraq during Saddam's rule?

Powerbuilt · 08-27-05, 07:16 PM

Is it true that Saddam was a secular meglomaniac, that would crush any kind of Islamic fundamental upraising... and that he ruled with a military not terrorists- those are the other (Islamic-ruled) countries in the region.

Just heard this.

There were no terrorist training camps under Saddam's rule?

Discuss.

Tetracide · 08-27-05, 07:22 PM

I'm going to pull a Billy, and just post a picture.

Powerbuilt · 08-27-05, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tetracide

I'm going to pull a Billy, and just post a picture.

36 American's killed in 6 degrees of seperation from saddam, and you think it's worth wasting 10s of thousands of Iraqis another 2000 Americans and counting and $300 Billion in my tax dollars? **** you.

cherokee · 08-27-05, 08:28 PM

Right or wrong is a mute point right now in Iraq. Dont you think?
The question is are we going to allow the people to build a better place or do we pull out and allow the country to fall into the vermin hands called the insurgency?

This time we have to clean up our mess or our kids and grandkids will be paying the price.

sargasm · 08-27-05, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Powerbuilt

36 American's killed in 6 degrees of seperation from saddam, and you think it's worth wasting 10s of thousands of Iraqis another 2000 Americans and counting and $300 Billion in my tax dollars? **** you.

well said, very good point

Kelzie · 08-27-05, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Powerbuilt

36 American's killed in 6 degrees of seperation from saddam, and you think it's worth wasting 10s of thousands of Iraqis another 2000 Americans and counting and $300 Billion in my tax dollars? **** you.

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Powerbuilt · 08-28-05, 12:40 AM

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You're such a wimp.

Grab your ******* uterous, and stop being scared of the "F" word.

nefarious_plot · 08-28-05, 05:57 AM

Thre were none. Stalinist Secular Dictatorship. War supporters refuse to acknowledge 20+ years of history where every Administration has noted hussien as that. Where everything Hussien ever did indicated his hatred for the fundementalists. Where never once had any terrorists activity ever occured. Whre a war fought for years against the most radical and largest of fundimentalists regimes in Iran. Where Shiite islmic radicals in the south consistantly rebelled. Tariq Aziz a right hand man of hussiesn was CHRISTIAN. 80,000 Iraq Xtians just bailed out of the country cause of the rise of Islamic fanatics after the US invasion.

The problem is the John Wane syndrom. Bin Laden bad..hussien bad...must be the same thing. WRONG!. They are polar opposties regardless of there mutual disdian for the US. A large part of the planet cant stand America and they arent all in cooperation with each other.

Anything trumped up to justify this war is pathetic and easily rebuked. gobs of hypocritcal and manipulated dribvile coming from right winged home made websites and an admin busted lying for years will never disprove the history and reality of Hussiens regime.

mustafa · 08-28-05, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Powerbuilt

You're such a wimp.

Grab your ******* uterous, and stop being scared of the "F" word.

I agree with u .. she kinda overreacted but u also crossed the line with usterous thing ...

icantoofly · 08-29-05, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nefarious_plot

... Anything trumped up to justify this war is pathetic and easily rebuked. gobs of hypocritcal and manipulated dribvile coming from right winged home made websites and an admin busted lying for years will never disprove the history and reality of Hussiens regime.

WHY WE HAD TO INVADE IRAQ

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Originally Posted by the non-partisan 9/11 Commission, 9/20/2004,in this excerpt

May 19,1996: Bin Laden leaves Sudan – after escaping at least one assassination attempt -- significantly weakened despite his ambitious organization skills, and returns to Afghanistan where he establishes al Qaeda training bases.

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Originally Posted by al Qaeda in these excerpts from their fatwahs

[1996 fatwah excerpts]
Our youths believe in paradise after death. They believe that taking part in fighting will not bring their day nearer; and staying behind will not postpone their day either.

These youths believe in what has been told by Allah and His messenger (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) about the greatness of the reward for the Mujahideen and Martyrs; Allah, the most exalted said: {and -so far- those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish. He will guide them and improve their condition. and cause them to enter the garden -paradise- which He has made known to them}. (Muhammad; 47:4-6). Allah the Exalted also said: {and do not speak of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead; nay -they are- alive, but you do not perceive} (Bagarah; 2:154).

[1998 fatwah excerpt]
I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped.

September 11, 2001: This date is 5 years, 3 months, and 23 days after Bin Laden left Sudan for Afghanistan and established al Qaeda training bases in Afghanistan.

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Originally Posted by the non-partisan 9/11 Commission, 9/20/2004, in these excerpts,

The attacks on September 11 kill almost 3,000 in a series of hijacked airliner crashes into two U.S. landmarks: the World Trade Center in New York City, New York, and The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. A fourth plane crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania.

The night of 9/11, the President broadcast to the nation that we will not distinguish between terrorists and those who harbor them.

The night of 9/20, the President Bush broadcast to the nation and to a joint session of the Congress that: our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them; that it is civilization’s fight to punish this radical network; and that we ask every nation to join us in this fight.

On 10/25, the pre-9/11 draft presidential directive on al Qaeda evolved into a new directive, National Security Presidential Directive 9, now titled "Defeating the Terrorist Threat to the United States." The directive would now extend to a global war on terrorism, not just on al Qaeda. It also incorporated the President's determination not to distinguish between terrorists and those who harbor them. It included a determination to use military force if necessary to end al Qaeda's sanctuary in Afghanistan. The new directive -- formally signed on October 25, after the fighting in Afghanistan had already begun -- included new material followed by annexes discussing each targeted terrorist group. The old draft directive on al Qaeda became, in effect, the first annex. The United States would strive to eliminate all terrorist networks, dry up their financial support, and prevent them from acquiring weapons of mass destruction. The goal was the "elimination of terrorism as a threat to our way of life."

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Originally Posted by in these excerpts, Wikipedia,

The al Qaeda aligned, Ansar al Islam, was formed in northern Iraq in December 2001 and included some of those fleeing the US, October 20, 2001, invasion of Afghanistan . At the beginning of the US March 20, 2003, invasion of Iraq, the al Qaeda aligned, Ansar al Islam, controlled about a dozen villages and a range of peaks in northern Iraq on the Iranian border.

When the US invaded Iraq, it attacked the al Qaeda aligned, Ansar al Islam, training camps in northern Iraq, and this organization's leaders retreated to neighboring countries. When the war in the north settled down, the militants returned to Iraq to fight against the occupying American forces.

Note: the US invasion of Iraq was only 1 year, 5 months after al Qaeda first set up training camps in Iraq. If we had waited 5 years, 3 months, and 23 days before invading Iraq like we waited before invading Afghanistan, it is very probable that additional “9/11s” would have occurred in the meantime.

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Originally Posted by al Qaeda in an excerpt from their 2004 fatwah,

No Muslim should risk his life as he may inadvertently be killed if he associates with the Crusaders, whom we have no choice but to kill.

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Originally Posted by in an excerpt from their booklet, the Pakistani jihadist group Lashkar-e-Taiba (Army of the Pure),

… eight reasons for global jihad. These include the restoration of Islamic sovereignty to all lands where Muslims were once ascendant, including Spain, "Bulgaria, Hungary, Cyprus, Sicily, Ethiopia, Russian Turkistan and Chinese Turkistan. . . Even parts of France reaching 90 kilometers outside Paris."

Al Qaeda and all other persons who mass murder civilians, or are accomplices of persons who mass murder civilians, are an extreme danger to the security of humanity in general, and to the security of Iraqis and Americans in particular. For this reason all such persons, whom I call malignancy, must be exterminated. So, it was necessary to invade Iraq in order to exterminate malignancy from Iraq, just as it was necessary to invade Afghanistan in order to exterminate malignancy from Afghanistan.

While we have so far failed to exterminate malignancyin both Iraq and Afghanistan, we must nonetheless persevere until we learn how and do exterminate it. The deadly consequences to us all of failure to do so are intolerable!