No terrorist training camps in Iraq during Saddam's rule? - Page 11

taxpayer · 09-01-05, 04:38 PM

Bushs own commish reported that Iraq and Saddam and NOTHING to do with 911 or any terrorist activitys against the U.S.
So why are we there?
But now that we are there we should stay and help them even though they don't want us there.
Problem is that when ever we leave they will start killing each other. So maybe it doesn't really matter when we leave.

nefarious_plot · 09-01-05, 04:52 PM

This mek things is ridiculous everything on those sites you posted have americans calling them fine people. Saddam didnt need to hire some Group run by women for the iran Iraq war he was winning it.

Stalinst Secualr Dicatorship. Perhpas people need to understnad what that means first.

Simon W. Moon · 09-01-05, 04:52 PM

US Air Force's Air University

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/...terr/app_a.pdf
Groups Physically Based In [USCENTCOM's] AOR
Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK or MKO), a.k.a.: National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA), People’s Mujahidin of Iran (PMOI), National Council of Resistance (NCR), National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), Muslim Iranian Student’s Society, (Iraq)*

Strength
Several thousand

Anti-U.S. Activity
Yes

∗Groups marked with an asterisk have conducted operations in one or more areas against U.S. targets.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/...ller021103.htm
We are also concerned about terrorist organizations with direct ties to Iraq—such as the Iranian dissident group, Mujahidin-e Khalq, and the Palestinian Abu Nidal Organization.

* Groups like the Abu Nidal Organization may target US entities overseas but probably lack the military infrastructure to conduct organized terrorist attacks on US soil. A notable exception is the Mujahedin-e Khalq, which has a US presence and proven operational capability overseas and which cooperates with Baghdad.

National Defense University

http://www.ndu.edu/library/n3/SSP-92-016.pdf
Domestic politics were partly responsible for the Iranians' April 4, 1992 air raid against a rebel Iranian (mujahedin-e khalq) base in Iraq. In engaging in the strike, Iran conducted the most serious military action against Iraq since the Iran/Iraq War fighting ended in 1988. Commenting on the attack four days later,an Iranian Air Force Commander indicated that the raid was in retaliation for mujahedin attacks in Western Iran aimed at "disrupting the elections" for the Consultative Assembly.

Army War College

http://www.carlisle.army.mil/ssi/pub...t/tranthrt.pdf
Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK or MKO) a.k.a. The National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA, the militant wing of the MEK), the People’s Mujahedin of Iran (PMOI), Muslim Iranian Student’s Society (front organization used to garner financial support)

Strength: Several thousand fighters based in Iraq with an extensive overseas support structure.

Location/Area of Operation: In the 1980s the MEK’s leaders were forced by Iranian security forces to flee to France. Most resettled in Iraq by 1987.

External Aid: Beyond support from Iraq...

http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/P...ter/jalali.htm
Iran's April 2001 massive missile attack on bases of the Baghdad-backed Iranian armed opposition (Mojahedin-e Khalq) in Iraq surprised its Gulf neighbors.

nefarious_plot · 09-01-05, 04:55 PM

According to the Blog site you posted earlier The US congressmen were attending these peoples meetings and the LT Col speaking didnt belive they were terrosits. SO now the Austrialins know better then the US?

Simon W. Moon · 09-01-05, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nefarious_plot

This mek things is ridiculous everything on those sites you posted have americans calling them fine people.

If by "everything on those sites you posted" you mean the two on my site and the ones that're listed on the MeK's site then you could be right. However, the MeK uses many fron groups and it's been the case numerous times that politicians have had to retract their support once they found out who they were actually giving it too.
None of this changes the fact that this group is a terrorist group.

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Originally Posted by nefarious_plot

Saddam didnt need to hire some Group run by women for the iran Iraq war he was winning it.

Your particular assessment of the Iran Iraq war has no bearing on what happened.

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Originally Posted by nefarious_plot

Stalinst Secualr Dicatorship. Perhpas people need to understnad what that means first.

Doesn't really have any impact on the facts.

nefarious_plot · 09-01-05, 05:04 PM

Stalinsst Secualr Dicatator is the facts. This Group is concrened with Iran by there own admission. There own site talks about attacks they have made on Iranina military. There site nowhere mentions Iraq. If they are Anti-usa..so what? Theres alot of countries and people like that. It stil doesnt equate with hussien whom had no use for islamic fundemntalism. As he was a STALINIST.

Simon W. Moon · 09-01-05, 05:06 PM

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Also this guy Col. Cantrel or whatever states he wants to use them and that he doesnt list them as terrorists at all.

Quote:"Cantwell made a point of saying that he saw no evidence that the NLA presented a threat to US forces and that even though he had not asked to see the evidence that NLA members were terrorists, he had not seen any evidence that NLA members were terrorists. Lt Col Cantwell currently works as a consultant for an unspecified private firm"

This is from YOUR site. Your supposed evidence refutes your own assertions.

Hogwash. Cantwell did not see what he did not look for. It doesn't mean anything other than what Cantwell says about the Mek is not fully informed

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This mek is just some subvirse group against Iran they have nothing at all to do with Iraq.

Other than being armed, provisioned and funded by Saddam, being based there and helping Iraqi forces in crackdowns on Kurds and such you're about right.

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You sites also state this group is led by 23 WOMEN. hardly fundementalist islam. your stie also states a Dude in the Employment of FOX NEWS and MEMBERS OF CONGRESSS was attending this thing. LMAO..these people are terroists? Sounds more like a lobbist diner party for the GOP.

Designation of National Council of Resistance and National Council of Resistance of Iran under Executive Order 13224
Tom Casey, Acting Spokesman | Press Statement Released on August 15, 2003
U.S. Department of State

The Secretary of State has amended the designation, under Executive Order 13224 on terrorist financing, of the Mujahedin-e Khalq, known as the MEK, to add its aliases National Council of Resistance (NCR) and National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI). That Executive Order blocks the assets of organizations and individuals linked to terrorism. The decision also clarifies that the designation includes the U.S. representative office of NCRI and all its other offices worldwide, and that the designation of the People’s Mujahedin of Iran (“PMOI”) as an alias of the MEK includes the PMOI’s U.S. representative office and all other offices worldwide.

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LOL So what you are agreeing with the accusations that bush is in cohoots with these people?

There are elemenst w/in team Bush that want to use the MeK in the same manner as the INC was used. Do you even read what I post? I've said this more than once.

Simon W. Moon · 09-01-05, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nefarious_plot

According to the Blog site you posted earlier The US congressmen were attending these peoples meetings and the LT Col speaking didnt belive they were terrosits. SO now the Austrialins know better then the US?

If you were willing to accept the word of Congressmen and randmo military personell as proof, I wish you would have said so earlier. I gotth eimpression that you'd only accept info coming from military academies.

Also, if you'd care to take a look, http://www.au.af.mil is the USAF's site.

nefarious_plot · 09-01-05, 05:14 PM

The Congress was jsut hanging around with terroists for fun. Whatever.

That guy was your proof they were terroists cause he was Camp Asharf. but the site said he liked them. Now the story changes. Its still doesnt show anytihng about a mand whom always dispaisaed the isalmic fundies ..a threat to his power supporting the. Hussien was not stupid. he would not put guns in the hands of people that wanted to shoot him. The connection has been abandoned even by the Bush admin. Cuase they could enver make one. Cause it never existed.

Simon W. Moon · 09-01-05, 05:18 PM

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There site nowhere mentions Iraq.

I've already showed you more than one place on their site it says they were in Iraq. Are you just refusing to look or what?