McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History

Tashah · 06-13-08, 02:36 PM

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McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History
by FOXNews.com
Friday, June 13, 2008

John McCain said Friday that the Supreme Court ruling on Guantanamo Bay detainees is “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”

The presumptive GOP nominee said the decision, a 5-4 ruling Thursday that determined Guantanamo detainees have the right to seek release in civilian courts, would lead to a wave of frivolous challenges.

“We are now going to have the courts flooded with so-called … habeas corpus suits against the government, whether it be about the diet, whether it be about the reading material. And we are going to be bollixed up in a way that is terribly unfortunate because we need to go ahead and adjudicate these cases,” he said at a town hall meeting in New Jersey.

McCain said he has worked hard to ensure the U.S. military does not torture prisoners but that the detainees at Guantanamo are still “enemy combatants.” “These are people who are not citizens. They do not and never have been given the rights that citizens in this country have,” he said. “Now, my friends, there are some bad people down there. There are some bad people.”

Barack Obama released a statement Thursday saying the Supreme Court decision “ensures that we can protect our nation and bring terrorists to justice while also protecting our core values.” “The Court’s decision is a rejection of the Bush administration’s attempt to create a legal black hole at Guantanamo - yet another failed policy supported by John McCain,” he said. “This is an important step toward re-establishing our credibility as a nation committed to the rule of law and rejecting a false choice between fighting terrorism and respecting habeas corpus.”

Source: FoxNews.com

Well. There you have it. In regards to Gitmo, the two presidential candidates embrace quite oppositional legal and ethical positions. Touché.

Harshaw · 06-13-08, 02:59 PM

He's right. It's one of the top five worst decisions ever handed down by the Supreme Court.

I realize a lot of people here like it because of the short-term, anti-Bush rush they get from it, but what this decision does is cripple our ability to wage any future war, no matter who is President.

Of course, as I said elsewhere, that's probably OK with quite a few of them, too.

jujuman13 · 06-13-08, 03:52 PM

Quote(He's right. It's one of the top five worst decisions ever handed down by the Supreme Court.)

The Supreme Court is not peopled with folk who will sheepishly adhere to any ruling handed down by any President.
It is in fact the ultimate upholder of the Constitution.
Thus any decision taken by the Supreme Court is a Legal decision, not under any circumstances a Political decision.

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(I realize a lot of people here like it because of the short-term, anti-Bush rush they get from it,)

Possibly true. My point is that without the rule of Law and adherence to the Constitution of the US, we would be living in an anarchic state.

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(but what this decision does is cripple our ability to wage any future war, no matter who is President.?

This statement is fatuous.
It in NO WAY hinders nor cripples our ability to wage war at present or in the future.
What it does do is to allow for a Legal framework where captives in a war can be humanely dealt with under specific laws.

It is however true to say that our present enemies do not treat those they capture with anything but extreme cruelty and contempt.
Also they expect the Western Powers to treat our captives as they would treat theirs

DarkWizard12 · 06-13-08, 04:03 PM

In a way, the liberals are destroying the very terrorists they are trying to give rights to! The only thing a general has to do to get around this decision is say "No quarter"

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Don't want terrorists and POW's to be held in Gitmo? Fine, we'll just shoot em dead before any of them become POW's.

I love loopholes!

Navy Pride · 06-13-08, 04:03 PM

This is one of the most outrageous decisions the SCOTUS has ever made...Its no accident that it was the right against the left............This is just another reason why we elect McCain........We only need one more justice and and we can overturn some of these outrageous decisions by the left...........

DarkWizard12 · 06-13-08, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Navy Pride

This is one of the most outrageous decisions the SCOTUS has ever made...Its no accident that it was the right against the left............This is just another reason why we elect McCain........We only need one more justice and and we can overturn some of these outrageous decisions by the left...........

How long has the court been owned by the left exactly?

Navy Pride · 06-13-08, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12

In a way, the liberals are destroying the very terrorists they are trying to give rights to! The only thing a general has to do to get around this decision is say "No quarter"

.

Don't want terrorists and POW's to be held in Gitmo? Fine, we'll just shoot em dead before any of them become POW's.

I love loopholes!

Take no prisoners...........

Iriemon · 06-13-08, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Navy Pride

This is one of the most outrageous decisions the SCOTUS has ever made...Its no accident that it was the right against the left............This is just another reason why we elect McCain........We only need one more justice and and we can overturn some of these outrageous decisions by the left...........

What is so outrageous about it?

As far as I can determine, the ruling simply provides that the prisoner's have habeus corpus rights. What is so outrageous about the Court determining the prisoners have the right to challenge their detention, a right that has been recognized to prisoners for well before the US was a nation.

What seems more outrageous to me is that a man who is a candidate for presidency would be criticizing a decision that provides a fundamental right long recognized (it's called the great writ) to people thrown in jail -- the right to claim that they are wrongly held.

phrank · 06-13-08, 04:34 PM

This is the first division of the two canidates. McCain says it is a horrible mistake while Obama likes it. Pick wisely everyone.

Ikari · 06-13-08, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by phrank

This is the first division of the two canidates. McCain says it is a horrible mistake while Obama likes it. Pick wisely everyone.

Well I certainly wouldn't like a President who could so zealously throw out habeus corpus.

06-13-08, 02:59 PM	#2
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jujuman13 Guru Join Date: Jun 2006 Last Seen: Today 01:44 AM Posts: 2,598 Thanks: 959 Thanked 294 Times in 193 Posts Lean: Independent Gender:	Re: McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History Quote(He's right. It's one of the top five worst decisions ever handed down by the Supreme Court.) The Supreme Court is not peopled with folk who will sheepishly adhere to any ruling handed down by any President. It is in fact the ultimate upholder of the Constitution. Thus any decision taken by the Supreme Court is a Legal decision, not under any circumstances a Political decision. Quote (I realize a lot of people here like it because of the short-term, anti-Bush rush they get from it,) Possibly true. My point is that without the rule of Law and adherence to the Constitution of the US, we would be living in an anarchic state. Quote (but what this decision does is cripple our ability to wage any future war, no matter who is President.? This statement is fatuous. It in NO WAY hinders nor cripples our ability to wage war at present or in the future. What it does do is to allow for a Legal framework where captives in a war can be humanely dealt with under specific laws. It is however true to say that our present enemies do not treat those they capture with anything but extreme cruelty and contempt. Also they expect the Western Powers to treat our captives as they would treat theirs

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DarkWizard12 Conservative Independent Join Date: Sep 2007 Last Seen: Today 12:55 AM Location: Tyler TX Posts: 5,580 Thanks: 2,644 Thanked 1,302 Times in 849 Posts Lean: Independent Gender:	Re: McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History In a way, the liberals are destroying the very terrorists they are trying to give rights to! The only thing a general has to do to get around this decision is say "No quarter" . Don't want terrorists and POW's to be held in Gitmo? Fine, we'll just shoot em dead before any of them become POW's. I love loopholes!

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