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Old 06-13-08, 08:04 PM   #51
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Re: McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History

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secondly that phrase has never been applied to peole captured in a war
Then let's go ahead and have Congress declare war.
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Re: McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History

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I certainly agree the ideal was not always put into practice by our country. But it is the ideal

And IMO, the inalienable rights with which all men were created does not accept arbitrary exceptions such as whether one is given a label by the governmet.
except, far as I know, you were not consulted
and to interpret the meaning, one should take into account the context
the mindset of the writer/signer
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How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.
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Then let's go ahead and have Congress declare war.
oh
you are one of those that thinks Congress' Authorization to go to war with Iraq was only to be used to THREATEN Iraq
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Old 06-13-08, 08:14 PM   #54
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Re: McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History

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I certainly agree the ideal was not always put into practice by our country. But it is the ideal

And IMO, the inalienable rights with which all men were created does not accept arbitrary exceptions such as whether one is given a label by the governmet.
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except, far as I know, you were not consulted
and to interpret the meaning, one should take into account the context
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I'll keep your point in mind next time you venture an opinion on the constitution or a statute.
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Re: McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History

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you are one of those that thinks Congress' Authorization to go to war with Iraq was only to be used to THREATEN Iraq
OK... so then why don't we actually declare war on Iraq....

Besides, the withholding of rights would then only apply to detainees coming from the nation of Iraq. Nowhere else
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Re: McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History

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oh
you are one of those that thinks Congress' Authorization to go to war with Iraq was only to be used to THREATEN Iraq
There was no "Authorization to go to war with Iraq".
We were never at war with Iraq.
There was an authorization to use force.
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Re: McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History

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I never said it was Gitmo. I simply stated I seriously doubt YOUR statement that we treat them better then prisoners in the U.S. - If we did they'd have the right to challenge their imprisonment.
That is because you are like Senator Durbin when it comes to our military in Gitmo......
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Re: McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History

Clearly McCain doesn't know the judicial history of the United States then. Its pretty clear that the WORST SC decisions ALL came from the time of the Revolutionary War to about 1860. Does "manifest destiny" ring any bells? The SC wasn't exactly making good and constitutional rulings then let's not forget.
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There was no "Authorization to go to war with Iraq".
We were never at war with Iraq.
There was an authorization to use force.
We have been at war with Iraq since 1991......
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Old 06-13-08, 11:19 PM   #60
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Re: McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History

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We have been at war with Iraq since 1991......
We didnt declare war then either


So the position some are supporting is that the US can snatch up anyone from anywhere in the world and detain them, forever w/o a trial or even having to tell them what they have been snatched up for? Is that the size of it?
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