McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History

independent_thinker2002 · 06-19-08, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

Dude, you asked me what separates what we're doing from what the Nazis did, and I showed the comparison doesn't apply. It's not arbitrary because it's based on intelligence we go at great lengths to hold to a high standard, and it's justified because we're at war.

Trying to compare holding those attached to terrorist organizations and treating them like they are, prisoners of a new kind of war, to nuking all the Muslims is pretty ****ing hilarious considering you were just calling suggesting that letting terrorists free would lead to people dying hyperbole.

Here is what I said: " I am not saying that we have death camps, but the Jews were targeted wrongfully even before the deathcamps were started."

What are these great lengths that we go to?

Yes, nuking them is extreme. But it's the conclusion of your logic. It's in line with the "breaking eggs to make omelets" that you advocate. Collateral damage is what you are willing to live with. So why not end this war swiftly and decisively like we did with Japan? Isn't making America safe what this is about? How is fighting a war for decades safer than ending it once and for all?

scourge99 · 06-19-08, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

So you'd rather let innocents die than convict innocents? We're talking about people involved with terrorist organizations that are actively waging war on the United States, innocent until proven guilty didn't apply in holding Confederate captives in the Civil War, didn't apply to German captives in WW1 and 2, didn't apply to holding Vietnamese captives during Vietnam. Recognizing that the reality of this war is it's a war with organizations as opposed to states, we have to take captives like we're at war, otherwise we're willfully ignoring the nature of the conflict.

These are not POWs because our gov't isn't treating them as such. Our gov't decided to ship them off to a prison without establishing a timetable for their court hearing or conditions for release. The problem isn't that we took people and arrested them. The problem is we are holding people without charges indefinitely; no due process. This is either a loophole or it is clearly illegal. The courts have ruled it illegal.

conquer · 06-20-08, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by superjames1992

This is one of the very worst rulings I have ever seen. We're basically giving our enemies the same Constitutional rights we have. There is no way to Constitution guarantees our enemies a right to a trial by jury and such. I believe this is just a move by the Supreme Court so they can feed their power hungry selves and give the judicial branch more power.

Basically, there is no point in capturing our enemies because a lot of them will get off scot-free due to lack of evidence and such. Instead, our soldiers will just kill them. This is just another example of the government getting involved in a war they have no business running. Let the military do their job! Don't micromanage them...

Don't tell me.

Us citizens who commit crimes in other countries are sent to courts having the same rights of the citizens of those countries -I am talking of democratic countries- so, why US must be the exception to do so?

If there is a lack of evidence, the person in detention must be sent free of charge. I hate it too, but I have experienced it by having a neighbor's son who broke several cars windiows, throwed eggs is tens of houses, made several bad things around, and eveybody knew it, but the police always asked for "evidence" and the boy was smart enough to avoid being caught.

The law is the law and this s how the "system" works, and if the US government starts to make differences between the basic rights of justice, the other countries will do the same with US citizens in their territories.

You won't want to be arrested and be sent to jail without evidence in France or Colombia with drug or murder charges, you will ask and even demand for a fair trial. Why you want others to be in detention without such "rights"? Do you feel that you are superior to them and that you deserve a better treatment by such a belief of yours?

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