McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History

Navy Pride · 06-14-08, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

What purpose is there for holding them if we cannot justify it in a court of law?

That is what tribunals are for......Not our civilian courts....they are for citizens of the U.S.

Navy Pride · 06-14-08, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pull My Finger

I agree this is a sad reality… It is still fundamental that the Administration follow its constitution if it is to have any credibility in the WOT…

Peace

Thank you, at least you admit it.........

Iriemon · 06-14-08, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

Stopping them from killing innocent people. Part of the civilian courts is public access - jury trial. As a lot of this deals with **** that they can in no way release to the public we'll be forced to let them go (what are you gonna do, bring in covert CIA agents to testify? How about their sources?). This is like saying the Union would have to give every Confederate soldier a jury trial, and if not convicted of crime would have to be returned to the Confederate army base.

There are procedures so that sensitive data can be used in court without revealing publically.

Iriemon · 06-14-08, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

Right, and is it a crime to be in al Qaeda? Are you going to bring in covert CIA agents, or make them file depositions while off risking their lives (considering any contact with a covert agent comes at a cost)? How are we supposed to convict people who weren't in America and thus not under the American civilian legal jurisdiction?

I don't know if it is a crime to be in Al-Queda, I'm sure it is a crime to participate in or plot a terrorist activity like bombing something.

Undercover informants or law enforcement persons testify in courts all the time. I'm not that familiar with the procedures for military courts.

If they are arrested or detained in American controlled areas you convict them just like any other person. Just like the Nurembourg criminals were tried, or Noriega, etc.

Pull My Finger · 06-14-08, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Navy Pride

Thank you, at least you admit it.........

Yes I can admit a fact. That is what reasonable people do...

scourge99 · 06-14-08, 07:03 PM

What stopping the government from arresting a US citizen or a foreign citizen and putting them in Gitmo as a enemy combatant found overseas..... Nothing.

Being held without a trial, no matter the reason, leaves the door wide open for corruption and abuse.

This is a country of checks and balances. This court ruling closes a loophole.

DeeJayH · 06-14-08, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by scourge99

What stopping the government from arresting a US citizen or a foreign citizen and putting them in Gitmo as a enemy combatant found overseas..... Nothing.

Being held without a trial, no matter the reason, leaves the door wide open for corruption and abuse.

This is a country of checks and balances. This court ruling closes a loophole.

right cause our military personell have nothing better to do than round up innocent people

BDS rears its ugly head again

scourge99 · 06-14-08, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeeJayH

right cause our military personell have nothing better to do than round up innocent people

For the same reasons that we don't allow warrant less wire tapping. For the same reasons we don't allow arrests to occur without just cause. For the same reason we have three branches in our government. Its called "check and balances" because we don't TRUST any person or group to have unrestricted power.

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Originally Posted by DeeJayH

BDS rears its ugly head again

This has nothing to do with Bush. When potential for abuse is left open is almost always is abused. Are you that naive to such occurrences?

Navy Pride · 06-14-08, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

Stopping them from killing innocent people. Part of the civilian courts is public access - jury trial. As a lot of this deals with **** that they can in no way release to the public we'll be forced to let them go (what are you gonna do, bring in covert CIA agents to testify? How about their sources?). This is like saying the Union would have to give every Confederate soldier a jury trial, and if not convicted of crime would have to be returned to the Confederate army base.

Can you imagine the ACLU and the PR stun they will be pulling if we have to try this scum in a stateside court?

Befuddled_Stoner · 06-15-08, 01:57 AM

You guys disagreeing with this ruling have waaaaaaay too much confidence in both the competence and the benevolence of the Democrats and the Republicans. If we give our government the unchecked power to declare anybody, anywhere an enemy combatant and make them disappear forever, how could you possibly doubt that someone will eventually come along and abuse it?

Would you people trust Bill Clinton with the power to have his political enemies tortured for the rest of their lives with no possibility for reprieve...so long as he didn't make anybody "important" disappear?

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Befuddled_Stoner Advisor Join Date: Sep 2005 Last Seen: 03-15-10 02:48 AM Location: Ohio Posts: 597 Thanks: 5 Thanked 148 Times in 76 Posts Lean: Liberal Gender:	Re: McCain: Guantanamo Ruling One of the ‘Worst Decisions’ in History You guys disagreeing with this ruling have waaaaaaay too much confidence in both the competence and the benevolence of the Democrats and the Republicans. If we give our government the unchecked power to declare anybody, anywhere an enemy combatant and make them disappear forever, how could you possibly doubt that someone will eventually come along and abuse it? Would you people trust Bill Clinton with the power to have his political enemies tortured for the rest of their lives with no possibility for reprieve...so long as he didn't make anybody "important" disappear?

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