May Had Fourth Coldest Globar Temperatures

Gill · 06-05-08, 08:42 AM

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The University of Alabama MSU lower tropospheric data just released showed this May was the 4th coldest May for the globe since that record began in 1979. It was also below the average for both hemispheres. It trailed only 1985, a weak El Nino at the tail end of the El Chichon cold period, 1989, a summer following a strong La Nina, and 1992, the year after Pinatubo. It was just 0.003 colder than 1993, another Pinatubo affected year that ranked 5th.

May is the continuation of at least 6 years of dropping global temperatures, and a case could be made that temperatures have dropped for 10 years now.

The graph above shows how the three major temperature records have all shown decreases since at least 2002.

In other news, Solar Cycle 24 has not gotten off to a great start since the sun is virtually spotless and has been for many months now. That does not bode well for our climate.

Geophysicist Philip Chapman, a former NASA astronaut-scientist and former president of the National Space Society:

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“It is time to put aside the global warming dogma, at least to begin contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little ice age.”

SouthernDemocrat · 06-05-08, 02:16 PM

Ok, I'll throw you a bone here. That we are having a cooler year than normal is not really concerning at all in and of itself. After all, no one was predicting that Global Warming would mean the end of weather and short term climate variability.

That said, the one thing that strikes me about the cool down so far this year, is that I remember a couple of years ago some scientists with the Russian Academy of Sciences predicting a global cool down.

Russian scientist predicts global cooling

If a trend develops over the next few years, that could cause much of the scientific community to revisit everything we thought we knew about long term climate modeling.

Gill · 06-05-08, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat

Ok, I'll throw you a bone here. That we are having a cooler year than normal is not really concerning at all in and of itself. After all, no one was predicting that Global Warming would mean the end of weather and short term climate variability.

That said, the one thing that strikes me about the cool down so far this year, is that I remember a couple of years ago some scientists with the Russian Academy of Sciences predicting a global cool down.

Russian scientist predicts global cooling

If a trend develops over the next few years, that could cause much of the scientific community to revisit everything we thought we knew about long term climate modeling.

One correction to your statement:

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That we are having cooler year(S) than normal is not really concerning at all in and of itself.

Actually several Russian scientists predicted this several years ago and have written papers on it. I posted a link and some quotes from one a year or so ago and was called a boob by jfuh for it. If I remember correctly, he stated that the Russians were idiots and knew nothing about science (I'm paraphrasing).

A chief scientist with the U.S. Army and a Duke University researcher recently made a statement on the matter:

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The causes of global warming—the increase of approximately 0.8±0.1 °C in the average global temperature near Earth’s surface since 1900—are not as apparent as some recent scientific publications and the popular media indicate. We contend that the changes in Earth’s average surface temperature are directly linked to two distinctly different aspects of the Sun’s dynamics: the short-term statistical fluctuations in the Sun’s irradiance and the longer-term solar cycles. This argument for directly linking the Sun’s dynamics to the response of Earth’s climate is based on our research and augments the interpretation of the causes of global warming presented in the United Nations 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report.

http://www.fel.duke.edu/~scafetta/pdf/opinion0308.pdf

WI Crippler · 06-05-08, 03:39 PM

June isn't off to the best of starts either. Still snowing in some parts of the country this morning. And we have still had frost advisories here up until this week. Higher gas prices certainley affect food prices, but so do shortened growing seasons due to cooler temperatures.

Gill · 06-05-08, 03:46 PM

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June isn't off to the best of starts either. Still snowing in some parts of the country this morning. And we have still had frost advisories here up until this week. Higher gas prices certainley affect food prices, but so do shortened growing seasons due to cooler temperatures.

You are correct.

Snow advisory for Colorado today:

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND JUNCTION CO
1201 PM MDT THU JUN 5 2008
...WINTER-LIKE WEATHER HAS RETURNED TO THE HIGH COUNTRY...
.A LATE SEASON STORM WILL CONTINUE TO BRING SNOW TO THE MOUNTAINS OF WESTERN COLORADO THIS AFTERNOON.
SNOW LEVELS WILL REMAIN NEAR 8500 FEET CREATING WINTER DRIVING CONDITIONS OVER THE
HIGHER MOUNTAIN PASSES AND ROADWAYS WITH SNOW...ICE AND SLUSH POSSIBLE.
PLEASE VISIT WEATHER.GOV/GJT FOR THE LATEST INFORMATION ON THIS
LATE SEASON WINTER STORM.

Middleground · 06-05-08, 09:16 PM

Yes, NASA and I both certainly agree that we're heading into a global ice age. In fact, a snowflake fell in northern Ontario today, so Algore must be outta his tree, LOL!!!

And La Nina... screw that. Doesn't mean a thing. It's getting cooler and it has nothing to do with that.

Gill · 06-06-08, 08:50 AM

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Yes, NASA and I both certainly agree that we're heading into a global ice age. In fact, a snowflake fell in northern Ontario today, so Algore must be outta his tree, LOL!!!

And La Nina... screw that. Doesn't mean a thing. It's getting cooler and it has nothing to do with that.

Let's see.....

Hadcrut - Temps dropping

UAH Satellite Temp Data - Temps dropping

RSS Satellite Temp Data - Temps dropping

NASA - Temps rising

Hmmm, I wonder who is correct???? NASA's outlier temperature data wouldn't be because Hansen has all his professional eggs in one basket would it??

Yes, La Nina.... and Pacific Decadal Oscillation... and Total Solar Irradiance... and sunspot numbers.... and on and on and on....

Hint: It's called climate variation.

And El Nino.. screw that, had nothing to do with the temperatures during the brief warming period between 1980 and 1998 did it??

Gill · 06-06-08, 10:46 AM

Here's a graphic showing how NASA's temperature trend is diverging from the other global temperature records.

In case you're wondering why there is such a large difference in the temperature data between the two satellite measuring systems and NASA, here's a hint:

This is NASA's temperature measurement sites globally. ALL of the gray areas indicate where NASA has no measurement devices.

Here's a graphic from UAH with their global coverage. Isn't it interesting that many of the locations where NASA has no coverage, the satellites show cooler temperatures. It's no wonder NASA sees no cooling... they are looking in the wrong places.

Middleground · 06-06-08, 10:16 PM

Gill, I don't have time right now to rip your post to shreads, but let's start with this.
Where is the downward trend on here???

BTW, based-on what I've read so far, surface temperature readings are far far more accurate than satellite. I will post some excellent quotes later this weekend.

Travelsonic · 06-06-08, 11:47 PM

This spring felt a bit cool, but I'm not worrying just yet, nor will I with the upcoming heat wave.