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Old 08-22-05, 08:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A response to the Bush is War Criminal Claim

First of all when making such a serious accusation against a U.S. president during wartime I would hope that the author would have a bit more evidence than the three vacant and non descript statements which had been mentioned in the post. That being said the war was not illegal because by all rights we could have invaded Iraq after Hussein violated the first of the U.N. resolutions, keep in mind that we were in a state of war with Iraq since 1991 and that the armistice was signed based on the contingent of Saddam's good behavior. Oh, and as far as war criminals are concerned let us consider old uncle Saddam's gassing of the Kurds, as well as, his illegal invasions of both Kuwait and Kurdistan. Furthermore, let us, for the sake of argument, say that the sovereignty of Iraq had been violated without just cause and was infact a violation of international law (big hypothetical here o.k.). Now, sovereignty and international law is much kinder to tyrants and despots than it is to democracies, probably due to the authors of the aforementioned International Law, the U.N., being an organization which is dominated by tyrants and despots, so that being said Saddam Hussein took power by force and for his entire reign he ruled by force and intimidation, so, by what moral right did he have to rule Iraq? None! So how would it be possibly considered a crime by any rational observer that the U.S. or any outside power remove Saddam from power by force?

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Old 08-22-05, 09:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: A response to the Bush is War Criminal Claim

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First of all when making such a serious accusation against a U.S. president during wartime I would hope that the author would have a bit more evidence than the three vacant and non descript statements which had been mentioned in the post. That being said the war was not illegal because by all rights we could have invaded Iraq after Hussein violated the first of the U.N. resolutions, keep in mind that we were in a state of war with Iraq since 1991 and that the armistice was signed based on the contingent of Saddam's good behavior. Oh, and as far as war criminals are concerned let us consider old uncle Saddam's gassing of the Kurds, as well as, his illegal invasions of both Kuwait and Kurdistan. Furthermore, let us, for the sake of argument, say that the sovereignty of Iraq had been violated without just cause and was infact a violation of international law (big hypothetical here o.k.). Now, sovereignty and international law is much kinder to tyrants and despots than it is to democracies, probably due to the authors of the aforementioned International Law, the U.N., being an organization which is dominated by tyrants and despots, so that being said Saddam Hussein took power by force and for his entire reign he ruled by force and intimidation, so, by what moral right did he have to rule Iraq? None! So how would it be possibly considered a crime by any rational observer that the U.S. or any outside power remove Saddam from power by force?
Did you happen to catch the CNN report last night on the lies Bush told leading up to the war? Don't you think attacking a country, that did nothing to us, is wrong? You ought to know about being wrong, here's what the UN has to say regarding your comments on the UN Resolutions:

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Iraq War was Illegal and Breached U.N. Charter, Says Annan
By Ewen MacAskill and Julian Borger
The Guardian U.K.

Thursday 16 September 2004

The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.

Mr. Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter. In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: "Yes, if you wish."

He then added unequivocally: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."


http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704D.shtml
The Kuwait monarchy is no democracy either. They are an oppresive regime that we fought to put back in power. So why are there some tyrannical dictators that are OK, and some that are not? And do we have the sole right to make the decision on how they should be treated?
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The soul choice should not be ours alone to make but yes we do have the right to act unnilaterally should it be in our nations best interests! Why?, because as the worlds soul super power we have the moral obligation to kill genocidal maniacs, such as, Saddam Hussein. Is it our job to police the world? Unfortunately, I will have to give a large unapologetic yes to that question. I'm a firm believer in American exceptionalism, there is no moral equivalency b/w the U.S. and rogue states led by tyrants, we have the moral high ground and with such we have the right, nay, the obligation to remove tyrants like Saddam from power. I believe also in the Wilsonian principles that are the basis of the supra national organization now known as the U.N. These Wilsonian principles which state that corrupt institutions are the problem and not the people that reside under said institutions but when the U.N. is dominated by the very despots who embody these corrupt institutions and when their views and actions differ from ours is it not then our responsibility to act unilaterally?
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Re: A response to the Bush is War Criminal Claim

I am still unclear here. Someone explain to me what the president did that makes him a war criminal? Other then getting bad data, and moving on it. Or is that the entire complaint?
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I am still unclear here. Someone explain to me what the president did that makes him a war criminal? Other then getting bad data, and moving on it. Or is that the entire complaint?
Knee-jerk reactions...nothing more....

When Clinton lied to a grand jury and got himself in trouble, some took it as "open season" to attack anybody for anything...

It's "you put our guy in a world of crap, so were going to put your guy in a world of crap"...
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Knee-jerk reactions...nothing more....

When Clinton lied to a grand jury and got himself in trouble, some took it as "open season" to attack anybody for anything...

It's "you put our guy in a world of crap, so were going to put your guy in a world of crap"...
Isn't that pretty much par for the course with the dems these days. Don't who, how or why let just get the president. Thought there was an actual reason. I think this fall into the same pathetic pile as the "illegal war"
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Isn't that pretty much par for the course with the dems these days. Don't who, how or why let just get the president. Thought there was an actual reason. I think this fall into the same pathetic pile as the "illegal war"
REPORTER: Why do you think about the color of the sky?
DEMOCRAT: What did President Bush say about it?
REPORTER: He said it's "blue".
DEMOCRAT: Well then I'll say "green"
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REPORTER: Why do you think about the color of the sky?
DEMOCRAT: What did President Bush say about it?
REPORTER: He said it's "blue".
DEMOCRAT: Well then I'll say "green"
hahaha what a brilliantly funny political satire
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[quote=Trajan Octavian Titus] Why?, because as the worlds soul super power we have the moral obligation to kill genocidal maniacs, such as, Saddam Hussein. Is it our job to police the world? QUOTE]


Umm --shouldn't we be in Africa then??
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