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Old 06-08-08, 07:13 PM   #61 (permalink)
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According to Peter Bradnock of the British Poultry Council: "Organic poultry meat has about 45% more global warming potential than indoor-reared poultry meat". Shouldn't we be taxing the organic farming industry more, given their higher pollution levels?
Oh my god, it's already hard for farmers to make a living. They already dont earn as much, if we tax them more, they might be out of business. So from the percentage given, that means they will probably be taxed 45% more than indoor-reared poultry meat. That is a lot, and isnt it possible that if we tax them too much and eventually they will be out of business. Plus, it is almost impossible to totally avoid pollution. If that's the case, then i think eventually people will just leave the industry. THEN, we wont have meat to eat!!
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Oh my god, it's already hard for farmers to make a living. They already dont earn as much, if we tax them more, they might be out of business.
The important aspect is discrimination in tax: given the higher environmental costs from organic chicken farming, it is reasonable to refer to how they should face a higher tax than the non-organic farmer. There is a demand for organic produce but, given these pollution costs, the "I prefer organic, it tastes nicer" consumers should pay a higher price for that selfishness
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Ok, lets accept the premise that organic chicken results in significantly more greenhouse gasses than the big chicken house operations do.

That is only one factor as to which form of chicken farming results in a greater cost to society. For example, how much groundwater pollution typically results from chickenhouses? What about air pollution? You ever smelled one? The smell alone of a big commercial chickenhouse is by far the worst thing you have every smelled in your life.

I would wager that even with the higher greenhouse gas emissions, on balance, the environmental impacts of organic chicken farming is much lower than traditional chickenhouses. If thats the case, then it would be poor public policy to try to discourage organic chicken farming.
I am one who has been in a commercial chicken house, and yes, the smell is powerful. But chickens poop about the same whether inside or outside. Being inside, that poop can be collected and sold. Ever use chicken poop? Fair warning, a little goes a long way. It is powerful stuff. I bought a one cubic foot box of dried chicken poop, used a few cups on 2 citrus trees and then gave the rest of it to a friend who used all the rest of it on his lawn, at one time. He had to put on extra water to keep the grass from getting "burned" from the fertilizer, which "reconstituted the stench, and made his neighbors complain. It was a small lawn, and he used too much.
Commercial farming exists to increase efficiency, and except for the concentrated smell, it makes sense.
And there is something worse than chicken poop smell at a commercial farm. Try hog farms.....just driving by one is near fatal to your olfactory nerves...
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And there is something worse than chicken poop smell at a commercial farm. Try hog farms.....just driving by one is near fatal to your olfactory nerves...
More importantly, do we have inconsistency in the thinking of the "greens"? I'm regularly beaten around the chops about the environmental consequences of free market meat. However, here we have an example where the environmental friendly argument is ignored. Is the "green" movement too inflicted by "I want world peace" middle class fly by nights?
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