Voidwar

If I am, quote me saying it.

Matters of opinion are not facts, as they are not verifiable.
You can't prove someone isn't lying when they tell you their "motivations". Since it cannot be verified, it is not a "fact".

I am not grasping at any straws, and I am not in this discussion to defend employers, so much as I am in it to prevent the waste our nations resources on an opportunistic attack on business by classists, an approach that attacks the problem in the wrong place. The answer to the problem of illegal aliens is to deport the illegal aliens.

jamesrage

Apparently you are trying to hint at that with your do you have proof illegals are here for work comment.So you must be suggesting that they come here to mooch social services.

sYou should quit your pro-illegals lie right now.It is not classists to go after scum who hire illegals.Its no different than targeting any other criminal.


Seeing how employers who hire illegals are basically the honey that attracts the flies,it not going after the wrong place.Because they are the magnet that draws people to come here illegally.


How are you going to do that without targeting the businesses that hire illegals?Stop every Hispanic looking person and every person who speaks an accent if they have proof of citizenship?

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Voidwar

If that's true, why haven't you been able to produce a quote from me to that effect ?

Why would I need to bother the business ? I'm only here to deport illegals.

Perhaps something like that like an INS agent asking for papers outside of Western Union, or any place selling mexican phone cards, or any place offering currency exchange, or english as second language classes. Hire a slew of new INS agents and station an agent at all the places they need to get by, and start deporting. Appoint more judges, to round the clock courts, to handle deportation hearings. Be ruthless about deportation and it will become effective again.

Billo_Really

E-Verify what???????

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bub

I don't know, Billo

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Rogue

What do you think? We want employers to be required to e-verify the legal status of employees. With mandatory e-verification, which only takes a few minutes, an employer can determine whether an employee's documents are real or fake. If an employer of illegals hires an illegal without a mandatory e-verification or if an employer of illegals does e-verify the legal status on an employee and finds them to be illegal but hires them anyway and then gets caught, they'll have no recourse but to face sanctions, fines, and if done repeatedly, can lead to the loss of their business license. It's obviously and effective tool in trying to stop illegal immigration, by helping to remove the jobs magnet provided by the employers of illegals.

Awesome!

I don't think it's American Businesses necessarily. A lot of the labor from my experience is staffed through temp. agencies. In Southern California, the temp agencies compete with eachother. Usually the cheapest agencies hire illegals and their document audit process isn't that good.

I think if ICE wanted to deport a lot of illegals, they should target temp agencies because your talking about thousands of workers and a lot of them are illegal. All of the information is at the agencies: phone numbers, addresses, and probably a lot of fake employment authorization cards etc.

If E-verification was the federal standard, this would save a lot of time and man hours to enforce it because there would be no gray areas, no excuses for example: I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE ILLEGAL, THE PAPERWORK LOOKED FINE TO ME? ETC. E-verification takes all of that B.S. away and creates a simple system to determine legal status.

jamesrage

Temp agencies are businesses.

jamesrage

Because you are trying to avoid admitting why you think illegals are here.

Some businesses hire illegals. Are you trying to deny that fact too? Beside if you are going to station agents at western unions,places that sell Mexican phone card,English as a second language classes and currency exchange, would that be sending agents to target/bother those businesses?You seem rather selective in which businesses you target.


Are you going to require them to ask everyone who goes into those places or just anyone who appears to be foreign?


Why would illegals take english classes when many areas have caved to bilingualism?


Considering the fact that westen unions and places that sell mexican phone cards are dependent on customers with money wouldn't you kill two birds with one stone if you crack down on the businesses who hire illegals?After all theses businesses provide a means for illegals to have money and therefore provide illegals with the ability to send money home and to buy phone cards.

I agree with that however you are only addressing part of the of the problem.The other problem is the dishonest businesses who hire illegals.They are the magnets that draw people to come here illegally.Because of these people they are able to use the western unions,buy phone cards,take english as a second language class(ha ha like that will ever happen) or go to currency exchange places.

Voidwar

Perhaps I just DO NOT CARE. NO REASON IS GOOD ENOUGH.

You might have a slight misunderstanding of my approach . . .
I don't have any problem with going after the illegals at a business, I just don't want enforcement resources wasted prosecuting American business owners, large or small. I want all enforcement resources dedicated to deportation.

Everyone is the best policy, in my opinion, however, I have no problem with profiling in this context.

You tell me

No. The difficulty of prosecuting an American, with rights and lawyers, vs deporting an illegal, makes it a waste of time. The same manhour is better spent on deportation than prosecuting our fellow American.

I disagree. The problem with illegal aliens, is their presence.

I don't care whether they are working or not, the "problem" is that they are here, at all. So, the solution, is deportation, the currently prescribed legal consequence.

Well then, think about the other other problem, the Americans who bought all the cheap chicken and vegetables for the last 15 years. Gonna fine them for being in on the trade ?

Lets leave all the Americans alone, and KICK OUT THE ILLEGALS.