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A Obama-Clinton Ticket anyone?

It is now pretty obvious that Obama is going to be the Democratic Nominee for the Presidency.
However he now leads a party split down the middle, certain demographic voters will be less inclined to vote for and also faces a opposite nominee that does quite well among Independents.

With the sheer numbers of voters in the primaries, I am confident that if the Democratic party turn out for him, he will win. Republicans don't even like their nominee and I think alot of religious right will stay at home this year. They won't vote big this year.

A Obama-Clinton ticket will quite easily the party.
1. Politically there is not much difference between them
2. Obama and Clinton compliment each other nicely in terms of voter demographics, experience and inspiration. Whatever Obama's weaknesses are, Clinton can compensate and vice versa.
3. McCain will not be able to use any of the negative Democratic fights in the Primary, because they are now working together, it is void.
4. Women voters will vote in droves to see a woman in the VP seat.
5. The Republicans are not going to get away with Rovian tactics this year because of how unfavourably the American public feel about the GOP at the minute, which I think will minimise the anti-Clinton factor.

What you guys think? The only thing bad I can think of is that will having Clinton has his VP get in the way of Obama's message of change? But isn't a female VP change anyway?
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Re: A Obama-Clinton Ticket anyone?

An Obama-Clinton ticket assures a landslide victory. I actually think with the way they are starting to put away their knives they are seriously under pressure from the DNC to make this happen.
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Re: A Obama-Clinton Ticket anyone?

It won't happen. My bet is on Bill Richardson, who can deliver New Mexico.
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Re: A Obama-Clinton Ticket anyone?

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It is now pretty obvious that Obama is going to be the Democratic Nominee for the Presidency.
However he now leads a party split down the middle, certain demographic voters will be less inclined to vote for and also faces a opposite nominee that does quite well among Independents.

With the sheer numbers of voters in the primaries, I am confident that if the Democratic party turn out for him, he will win. Republicans don't even like their nominee and I think alot of religious right will stay at home this year. They won't vote big this year.

A Obama-Clinton ticket will quite easily the party.
1. Politically there is not much difference between them
2. Obama and Clinton compliment each other nicely in terms of voter demographics, experience and inspiration. Whatever Obama's weaknesses are, Clinton can compensate and vice versa.
3. McCain will not be able to use any of the negative Democratic fights in the Primary, because they are now working together, it is void.
4. Women voters will vote in droves to see a woman in the VP seat.
5. The Republicans are not going to get away with Rovian tactics this year because of how unfavourably the American public feel about the GOP at the minute, which I think will minimise the anti-Clinton factor.

What you guys think? The only thing bad I can think of is that will having Clinton has his VP get in the way of Obama's message of change? But isn't a female VP change anyway?
1. True
2. Clinton is a lapdog to special interests. It kills his change claim.
3. Clinton didn't attack his policies. She used failed arguments. Let McCain try them and lose
4. That didn't help Mondale
5. Clinton is irrelevant to this point

I think that it is a terrible idea. Obama will get the female vote when they realize how McCain is going to nominate Supreme Court justices that want to outlaw abortion. Also the issues of the economy and Iraq are in Obama's favor. I think Richardson is a better fit as VP.
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Re: A Obama-Clinton Ticket anyone?

I say McCain should use Clinton as his running mate, unless Condi wants a shot...
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Re: A Obama-Clinton Ticket anyone?

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I think that it is a terrible idea. Obama will get the female vote when they realize how McCain is going to nominate Supreme Court justices that want to outlaw abortion. Also the issues of the economy and Iraq are in Obama's favor. I think Richardson is a better fit as VP.
You do realize that most women actually do think about things other than abortion, true? In point of fact, I don't know of any women who oppose McCain offhand who do so solely, or even largely, the abortion issue. While it is important, it is incredibly simplistic to think that it is the key issue. Further, the people that Obama are most going to have to win over for the election are not ones who consider abortion a top, key issue. Those people he already has.
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You do realize that most women actually do think about things other than abortion, true? In point of fact, I don't know of any women who oppose McCain offhand who do so solely, or even largely, the abortion issue. While it is important, it is incredibly simplistic to think that it is the key issue. Further, the people that Obama are most going to have to win over for the election are not ones who consider abortion a top, key issue. Those people he already has.
If those women were voting over the issues, then they will vote for Obama. If all it takes is for them to abandon issues they favor only leaves it up to a couple other issues. Race, experience, or the fact that she was a woman. The first one isn't an issue to consider. The second doesn't make sense. What good is experience if you are going to do everything wrong. The third is just as shallow as the first.
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Re: A Obama-Clinton Ticket anyone?

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It is now pretty obvious that Obama is going to be the Democratic Nominee for the Presidency.
However he now leads a party split down the middle, certain demographic voters will be less inclined to vote for and also faces a opposite nominee that does quite well among Independents.

With the sheer numbers of voters in the primaries, I am confident that if the Democratic party turn out for him, he will win. Republicans don't even like their nominee and I think alot of religious right will stay at home this year. They won't vote big this year.

A Obama-Clinton ticket will quite easily the party.
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3. McCain will not be able to use any of the negative Democratic fights in the Primary, because they are now working together, it is void.
4. Women voters will vote in droves to see a woman in the VP seat.
5. The Republicans are not going to get away with Rovian tactics this year because of how unfavourably the American public feel about the GOP at the minute, which I think will minimise the anti-Clinton factor.

What you guys think? The only thing bad I can think of is that will having Clinton has his VP get in the way of Obama's message of change? But isn't a female VP change anyway?
I think that your idea is a dangerous proposal, because Hillary has become nuts already, she argued experience and she lost, she argued blue collar white voters and she lost again, today she argues for women's vote, and so forth.

Having such dementia in her mind, she is capable to assesinate Obama in order to become the president.

So, just forget about it.
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If those women were voting over the issues, then they will vote for Obama. If all it takes is for them to abandon issues they favor only leaves it up to a couple other issues. Race, experience, or the fact that she was a woman. The first one isn't an issue to consider. The second doesn't make sense. What good is experience if you are going to do everything wrong. The third is just as shallow as the first.
That is assuming she agrees significantly more with Obama's views than McCain's. There are a surprising number of people, of both sexes, who find things they agree with from both sides. For those people who consider abortion a litmus test issue, well, they are going to vote democrat is they are pro abortion rights, and republican if they are against abortion rights. It's those people who do not consider abortion a litmus test, and who are in the middle, that are the ones that each candidate has to win. Saying that undecided women will fall in line because of abortion is simplistic and not necccessarily accurate.
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That is assuming she agrees significantly more with Obama's views than McCain's. There are a surprising number of people, of both sexes, who find things they agree with from both sides. For those people who consider abortion a litmus test issue, well, they are going to vote democrat is they are pro abortion rights, and republican if they are against abortion rights. It's those people who do not consider abortion a litmus test, and who are in the middle, that are the ones that each candidate has to win. Saying that undecided women will fall in line because of abortion is simplistic and not necccessarily accurate.
Yes, but the point is that Obama and Clinton are 95% the same on the issues. As I said, if they are voting over issues, they will follow Obama. Otherwise it's the other three less desireable "issues".
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