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Old 05-08-08, 09:19 PM   #21
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Re: A Obama-Clinton Ticket anyone?

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The three "issues" I was talking about were his race, experience, and her gender.

Once McCain and Obama are juxtaposed the differences are stark. If your neighbor likes this economy a) have her head checked or b) she is wealthy and the economy isn't a big issue for her.

Who is to say that Obama won't have Bill's help?
First thing to remember is, you are preaching to the converted here. I plan to vote for Obama.

No, my friend does not like the economy, she just has little to no confidence in democrats not named Clinton to fix it. I disagree, but that is how it is. it is also important to realize that, post convention, when the campaigning begins in earnest, that while we will try and protray the economy on Bush, McCain will be painting it as being problems from the Clinton era, and the democratic congresses fault.

I do want to point out again, I am a democrat, and proud of it. I have real questions about Obama, but consider him a much better option than McCain. Alot of this is just stuff to make myself worry. I look at people I know, who are potential Obama supporters, and try and figure out how Obama can win them over, and not seeing a whole lot yet. Obama has done himself a whole lot of harm with his own words, and the Wright thing just makes it worse. Comparing Wright to his grandmother was politically stupid, and alot of older women are not happy with the comparison. The "bitter" comment was even worse. Those are big hurdles that Obama is going to have to overcome. If we eliminate Clinton from the ticket(and I do think it is probably unlikely that she will be the VP pick, though I think it would be a good idea, and it is a definate possibility), Obama has a very, very hard time converting many voters, and he does need to.
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Old 05-08-08, 09:22 PM   #22
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First thing to remember is, you are preaching to the converted here. I plan to vote for Obama.

No, my friend does not like the economy, she just has little to no confidence in democrats not named Clinton to fix it. I disagree, but that is how it is. it is also important to realize that, post convention, when the campaigning begins in earnest, that while we will try and protray the economy on Bush, McCain will be painting it as being problems from the Clinton era, and the democratic congresses fault.

I do want to point out again, I am a democrat, and proud of it. I have real questions about Obama, but consider him a much better option than McCain. Alot of this is just stuff to make myself worry. I look at people I know, who are potential Obama supporters, and try and figure out how Obama can win them over, and not seeing a whole lot yet. Obama has done himself a whole lot of harm with his own words, and the Wright thing just makes it worse. Comparing Wright to his grandmother was politically stupid, and alot of older women are not happy with the comparison. The "bitter" comment was even worse. Those are big hurdles that Obama is going to have to overcome. If we eliminate Clinton from the ticket(and I do think it is probably unlikely that she will be the VP pick, though I think it would be a good idea, and it is a definate possibility), Obama has a very, very hard time converting many voters, and he does need to.
I know you are a democrat. The thing is, If Obama had a "very, very hard time" converting voters he wouldn't be the presumptive nominee. He wasn't supposed to do what he has done so far. I think that people underestimate him.
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Re: A Obama-Clinton Ticket anyone?

Id certainly lose a lot of respect for obama if he chose clinton as a running mate. by no means would it drive me to vote for mccain, but I might consider voting 3rd party if any candidate appealed to me enough.
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I know you are a democrat. The thing is, If Obama had a "very, very hard time" converting voters he wouldn't be the presumptive nominee. He wasn't supposed to do what he has done so far. I think that people underestimate him.
He started this cycle as a virtual unknown. As people got to know him, his popularity rose rapidly. I worry that he has peaked. Certain groups, he is not ever going to convert. Racists, not gunna vote for him, period. Serious republicans, not gunna vote for him. On the other hand, some are pretty much sure votes. The democratic base is a pretty sure vote. The problem I see is that those who could go either way, the ones who decide elections, have seen and judged him, and he is not going to gain alot of ground with them. I don't insist on that as a surety, I do not know. It is just something I think and worry about.
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Re: A Obama-Clinton Ticket anyone?

Obama must choose another young brain senator, like Bill Clinton did with Al Gore in the 90's.

The Obama's campaign is perceived as full of energy and pushing hard to the future, and his vice president should be someone representing the same image.
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Obama must choose another young brain senator, like Bill Clinton did with Al Gore in the 90's.

The Obama's campaign is perceived as full of energy and pushing hard to the future, and his vice president should be someone representing the same image.
Any reccomendations?
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Any reccomendations?
I won't recommend any, but I can name Bob Duff as a young senator, I really don't know much about him, but his is young and has records as a former teacher and hard work with the community, plus his current business in real state makes him a person who knows a little bit of evereything, this is to say, a requirement that is expected from a leader.

I don't think that someone like Jim Barone can help him much.

Former presidents have chosen their vice presidents for reasons that are unknown, like president Bush senior who selected Dan Quayle, maybe to avoid the situation of offending two or three other greater choices in that moment. Dan Quayle appeared to be the impartial choice.

The current president Bush needed Cheney -a man with greater experience- for guidance.

I think that Obama needs a vice president as a complement for his ideas, the same as well Al Gore was with Bill Clinton..

It is opt to Obama to select whom he might choose, but my opinion still is that he must select a young senator capable to assimilate the energy of Obama in order to to reform the current and tedious rithm of politics in US.
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I won't recommend any, but I can name Bob Duff as a young senator, I really don't know much about him, but his is young and has records as a former teacher and hard work with the community, plus his current business in real state makes him a person who knows a little bit of evereything, this is to say, a requirement that is expected from a leader.

I don't think that someone like Jim Barone can help him much.

Former presidents have chosen their vice presidents for reasons that are unknown, like president Bush senior who selected Dan Quayle, maybe to avoid the situation of offending two or three other greater choices in that moment. Dan Quayle appeared to be the impartial choice.

The current president Bush needed Cheney -a man with greater experience- for guidance.

I think that Obama needs a vice president as a complement for his ideas, the same as well Al Gore was with Bill Clinton..

It is opt to Obama to select whom he might choose, but my opinion still is that he must select a young senator capable to assimilate the energy of Obama in order to to reform the current and tedious rithm of politics in US.
But why a senator? It'd seem to me that a governor would help the ticket balance wise more. And there are some governors out there, like Brian Schweitzer and Kathleen Sebelius, that would compliment Obama AND balance out the ticket
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But why a senator? It'd seem to me that a governor would help the ticket balance wise more. And there are some governors out there, like Brian Schweitzer and Kathleen Sebelius, that would compliment Obama AND balance out the ticket
My mistake.

You are correct. Governors are good choices as well, as long as their records are not so controversial, like Kathleen Sebelius.

Kansas tornado victims blast Sebelius (Wizbang Politics)

Brian Schewitzer enjoys a better record even when is a shorter one, his position on abortion rights, in giving no more parole for criminals who commit felonies again, asking for more funds for health coverage, when he refused money from special interests in his campaign, and other "positive" successes of him make him a good candidate.

I still think that Hillary Clinton is not the right choice.
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Re: A Obama-Clinton Ticket anyone?

Here's something to ponder,

Let's say Hillary agrees to run as VP (which I think she will). Then let's say the Dems win (which I think they will). Then let's say Obama wins a second term and then turns it over to Hillary who wins and then also wins a second term herself. This will give Hillary a record of 24 years in the Whitehouse.
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