Do you wish the abortion argument would go away?

DarkWizard12 · 05-07-08, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Do you really think anti-choicers will be happy to stop there? They will take their culture war to states that still allow abortion; they will expand their protests against contraception; and anywhere they achieve the tiniest success will see an expansion of the assault against separation of church and state.

Wha..what?

This belongs in the conspiracy forum!

IS this why you protest pro-life groups?

You see, will you ever take into the account the power of the "centrist" pro-lifer? The one thats just against abortion and couldn't care less about contraceptives?

They can get away with illegalizing abortion, but not contraceptives! Hell. Many of the pro-lifers use contraceptives and lead lives just like you! They just don;t like the prospect of denieing the most FUNDAMENTAL right to babies, the right to breath and live like all of us!

RightOfCenter · 05-07-08, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ikari

Yeah, it did seem that you didn't want them to protest in that manner. But I see your point now. But you'll never win those people over because those on the Pro-Life side believe the unborn child to be a human life and as a human life, qualified for protection against actions which would rob that child of its life. It's a fundamental moral question in the end, and it's all based on how you choose to view an unborn child and human life.

The bolded part is why I took issue with the idea of "winning" the abortion debate in the first place.

Ikari · 05-07-08, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RightOfCenter

The bolded part is why I took issue with the idea of "winning" the abortion debate in the first place.

I see, I get it. Sorry...coffee maker is broken so I'm gonna go ahead and blame my misunderstanding on that.

OKgrannie · 05-07-08, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by aegyptos

No they won't stop and the abortionists won't stop either but most people aren't nearly as invested in this question as you are and they will be happy to let the states decide for themselves. After all, that's the American way.

Actually, the American way is to abide by the Constitution which protects individual rights. Some would be happy to allow each state to make its own regulations, but the loudest protests will come from right-to-lifers in pro-choice states.

OKgrannie · 05-07-08, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ikari

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Originally Posted by OKgrannie
Do you really think anti-choicers will be happy to stop there? They will take their culture war to states that still allow abortion; they will expand their protests against contraception; and anywhere they achieve the tiniest success will see an expansion of the assault against separation of church and state.

I know, how dare those people express their opinions!

By the way, it's not a church and state thing, I'm pro-life and an atheist. Try again.

Most, not all, pro-lifers are to some degree involved in the "culture war" which does seek to end church/state separation. You can expect to see more demands from that group, such as demanding teacher-led public school prayer, posting of Ten Commandments in public places, etc. Why do you think those with your point of view are a majority?

aegyptos · 05-07-08, 01:26 PM

Until Roe vs Wade, abortion was recognized as a state matter.

I don't find that there is a right to abortion in the Constitution, not in the Bill of Rights or the amendments.

Before too much longer the Roberts Court will pin down why Roe vs Wade is bad law and throw it out and with it the federal role in abortion. So much for the penumbras and emanations the left so loves.

RightOfCenter · 05-07-08, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Most, not all, pro-lifers are to some degree involved in the "culture war" which does seek to end church/state separation. You can expect to see more demands from that group, such as demanding teacher-led public school prayer, posting of Ten Commandments in public places, etc. Why do you think those with your point of view are a majority?

Pro-life atheists are the majority?

DarkWizard12 · 05-07-08, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Actually, the American way is to abide by the Constitution which protects individual rights. Some would be happy to allow each state to make its own regulations, but the loudest protests will come from right-to-lifers in pro-choice states.

And life isn;t an individual right. I see. Point taken.

Voidwar · 05-07-08, 07:36 PM

The remaining task is to get the pro-life plank dropped from the Republican party platform. Once the Republicans drop them they will just be ineffectual nuts. The issue is already decided on the national level, and the only reason one hears about it anymore is pro-lifers screeching attempts to stay relevant within the G.O.P.

tryreading · 05-07-08, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aegyptos

I don't find that there is a right to abortion in the Constitution, not in the Bill of Rights or the amendments.

Abortion was legal during the Constitution era, and for a long time after that. Didn't seem to be such a big deal at the time. Abortion was legal before and after ratification. The Founders didn't address it at all.

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